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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think that's exactly what Rove's saying. If it's seen as a big enough problem for the GOP, they're views will suddenly "evolve."
    Possibly, but not necessarily. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They know that satisfying either end of the political spectrum (Conservatives vs. Moderates/Liberals) will lose them the other group. They will have to make a decision as to which group means more to them.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If you can craft the civil unions so that there are the same benefits, that would be fine. I've always been of the opinion that marriage is something that happens in a religious ceremony and I'm not comfortable with the government being involved in religious ceremonies. Would you be prepared to give gays the same rights as straight people who are "married" by a judge?
    Absolutely....With my wife being in the artsy type community as a graphic artist for so long, I've known a few gay couples committed in a long term relationship. They were good people, and should have the same rights, benefits, and access when sick as any couple I know. They are good people.

    Most people who favor SSM are not in favor of forcing any churches to do anything they're against. It's just giving the same rights to people joined in a civil ceremony regardless of sexual orientation. I'd never support making a church marry two gay people if they're opposed to it. Some churches are not opposed to it, and I don't see why they can't. Any government saying what churches can or cannot do sounds like an abridgment of First Amendment rights to me.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Right. But why are people acting like heterosexuality is "threatened" by homosexuality ? Sounds like your side has "issues"....................................
    I dunno, why don't you ask them?

    There are plenty of libertarians who either support gay marriage or say that the government has no business in marriage

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    So much angst and attention given to this genetic mutation of a lifestyle. We fiddle over these absurd "issues" while Rome burns. God forbid we vote based on economic and foreign policy; instead, 47 percent of the country is obsessed only with their right to abortion, entitlements, and whether Bobby and Steve can marry, adopt, and join the PTA.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So much angst and attention given to this genetic mutation of a lifestyle. We fiddle over these absurd "issues" while Rome burns. God forbid we vote based on economic and foreign policy; instead, 47 percent of the country is obsessed only with their right to abortion, entitlements, and whether Bobby and Steve can marry, adopt, and join the PTA.
    Well if the right would stop arguing those things, then we can move on to more important issues. But alas, the right wants this distraction and they themselves focus on it by trying to stop it.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I would imagine that very few people express affection to each other merely to anger others around them. Gay pride parades aren't about angering people. They're about visibility. Showing that there are many homosexuals in a community and that they're a part of it, and cannot be ignored or marginalized. Overt displays of sexuality or affection might indeed offend some people, but overt displays of religiousness do, too. That's some of the things that we all need to tolerate to live together in one country. But if you don't like looking at them, by all means look at something else.
    Perhaps thats the thing. I don't like the term "gay community" because in my mind it sort of legitimizes the division and therefore marginalization of homosexuals vs. heterosexuals. It goes against the "we are not so much different then you" by saying look at us and how different we are.

    In all fairness, I get equally pissed off at overt displays of religious zealotry. I see it as pretentious and strictly attention seeking.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Gays don't "put on circuses in public to piss people off." Gay Pride Parades are ultimately political in nature, both as a celebration of their culture and a display that they are an oppressed minority, who will not be ashamed of their sexual preferences.

    And it's not that there is "no difference." It's that they want to be afforded protections against discrimination in order to receive the same rights as everyone else.



    They don't. They have different norms.



    If you were harassed on a daily basis because of your sexual preferences, you might feel a little defiant about it.

    I.e. you're putting the cart before the horse. The political stridence of some members of the gay community is a reaction against discrimination, not the cause of their sexual preferences.

    This has had an impact on gay culture, but not on the underlying nature of homosexuality itself. You don't become gay because you want to be defiant; you are gay if you're sexually attracted to someone of the same sex.
    Discrimination in what form? I don't think you should be allowed to discriminate solely based on if one identifies as homosexual or not. But, at the same time, if someone is non-compliant with policies of dress-code, productivity, behavior etc. etc., they should not be afforded extra protections strictly based on their sexuality.

    Also, cool. You can be proud to be gay, just don't hold me up at lunch hour in Downtown Orlando to show me how "proud you are."

    My parents always taught me that pride is from within, and one does not need to boast of it to be proud. Boasting, is artificial pride and a sign of insecurity. But those are my values.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Well, then you are anti-gay marriage which makes you a homophobe. Religion does this to a person. There are many male/female people that cant reproduce, should we prevent them from getting married? Hell, im willing to bet that there may be a bit more male/females that cant reproduce due to infertility problems than homosexuals.
    This question is always dodged.

    If you are gonna be bigoted against homosexuals then i expect you to feel the same towards those with fertility issues.
    HAHAHAHHHHH

    I'm an atheist = failed attack.

    I wasn't even talking about marriage, marriage is a social construct and can be whatever the hell society wants it to be.

    I was talking about biology. Sorry if nature offends you.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well if the right would stop arguing those things, then we can move on to more important issues. But alas, the right wants this distraction and they themselves focus on it by trying to stop it.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah....I'd say that the liberal left perpetuates this argument as a distraction to the larger destruction they are up to....
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah....I'd say that the liberal left perpetuates this argument as a distraction to the larger destruction they are up to....
    Yeah, because the right is innocent correct? Gimme a break, the victim mentality from the right is getting a little old. Fact is if the right stopped arguing these things, they would be done and can move onto bigger things. Since the right wants to fight it, they themselves have chosen to make this the top priority over anything else.

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