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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Then why did you bring it up?



    It's a meaningless difference, in the context of this discussion.

    Allowing same-sex marriage will have no impact on marriages between a man and a woman. It does not have any effect on procreation. It does not encourage more people to become homosexual.

    In addition, we do not require citizens to reproduce. Nor do we restrict marriage to couples that want to reproduce. If a 50 year old man and a 50 year old woman choose to marry, we do not stop them on the basis that a childless marriage somehow threatens the institution.

    In other words, there is pretty much no reason to block same-sex marriage.
    I already said I have no problem with gay marriage. I could care less about the social constructs of marriage or homosexuality blah blah; I was discussing it from a purely biological standpoint saying its fair game to say that heterosexuality is a biologically necessary feature, but considering marriage is a social construct, I really could care less about whether they wish to marry or not. Really.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I already said I have no problem with gay marriage. I could care less about the social constructs of marriage or homosexuality blah blah; I was discussing it from a purely biological standpoint saying its fair game to say that heterosexuality is a biologically necessary feature, but considering marriage is a social construct, I really could care less about whether they wish to marry or not. Really.


    Right. But why are people acting like heterosexuality is "threatened" by homosexuality ? Sounds like your side has "issues"....................................

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Fair enough. I apologize for misconstruing your post. Many people have referred to the securing of SSM rights as granting special rights for gays. I assumed that's what you were doing. Consider my comment a rebuttal to that, even though that's not what you were saying.
    Not at all. My comment came up as an agreement to someone else posting about how they are for gay marriage, but hate when homosexuals purposely put on circuses in public just to piss people off. Its also contradictory to the whole "I am no different then you" mantra (one which I want to believe) that they often put forth. I consider it "special" because I would be equally pissed off if I saw a bunch of couples parading around town with signs about how "heterosexual they are," yet it seems that homosexuals think themselves above any and all social norms. It just gives me the impression that homosexuality is about defiance rather then attraction, which implies that it is a display of insecurity rather then affection.
    This is an impression that I strongly do not wish to have or believe.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Not at all. My comment came up as an agreement to someone else posting about how they are for gay marriage, but hate when homosexuals purposely put on circuses in public just to piss people off. Its also contradictory to the whole "I am no different then you" mantra (one which I want to believe) that they often put forth. I consider it "special" because I would be equally pissed off if I saw a bunch of couples parading around town with signs about how "heterosexual they are," yet it seems that homosexuals think themselves above any and all social norms. It just gives me the impression that homosexuality is about defiance rather then attraction, which implies that it is a display of insecurity rather then affection.
    This is an impression that I strongly do not wish to have or believe.
    I would imagine that very few people express affection to each other merely to anger others around them. Gay pride parades aren't about angering people. They're about visibility. Showing that there are many homosexuals in a community and that they're a part of it, and cannot be ignored or marginalized. Overt displays of sexuality or affection might indeed offend some people, but overt displays of religiousness do, too. That's some of the things that we all need to tolerate to live together in one country. But if you don't like looking at them, by all means look at something else.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    My belief is you'll have the republican party which will be democrat lite, and then you'll have a true conservative party who stand on principle and believe in small government.
    And "the true conservative party" will support gay marriage on principle and because it believes in small government, while the Democrats-lite will support it out of sheer political calculation. Everbody lives happily ever after.

    One question: What happens to the "social conservatives" - the statist breed eager to use the Big Government for ramming their taboos down other people's throats. Are the going to fuse with rejects of the mainstreem Left, and form something like the Front national of Le Pen in France?

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    I think we are seeing the beginning of a split in the republican party, perhaps even a viable third party. My belief is you'll have the republican party which will be democrat lite, and then you'll have a true conservative party who stand on principle and believe in small government. Right now the repubs are in a shambles and don't know what to stand for.
    A small govt. that leaves everyone "on their own" but rules with an iron fist on personal matters. Sounds like paradise to me.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Progressives were in American government long before Richard Nixon was alive. Nixon was simply being prudent much of the time.
    On the other hand, a Republican said something bad about Tricky Dick. That's gotta count for something.


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who says that Rove speaks for anyone other than the establishment, progressive wing of the GOP?
    What's funny here is that you're completely missing what he actually said. He didn't say they "should" be in favor of gay marriage, he said he "could imagine" that it would happen. Big difference.

    What he's saying is that potentially the next candidate makes a political calculation and decides to try to get elected. Strangely enough, Republicans like to win once in a while. Trust me, if they think being anti-gay marriage is going to lose them the election, the GOP will suddenly think it's an idea whose time has come.


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Not at all. My comment came up as an agreement to someone else posting about how they are for gay marriage, but hate when homosexuals purposely put on circuses in public just to piss people off. Its also contradictory to the whole "I am no different then you" mantra...
    Gays don't "put on circuses in public to piss people off." Gay Pride Parades are ultimately political in nature, both as a celebration of their culture and a display that they are an oppressed minority, who will not be ashamed of their sexual preferences.

    And it's not that there is "no difference." It's that they want to be afforded protections against discrimination in order to receive the same rights as everyone else.


    homosexuals think themselves above any and all social norms.
    They don't. They have different norms.


    It just gives me the impression that homosexuality is about defiance rather then attraction, which implies that it is a display of insecurity rather then affection.
    If you were harassed on a daily basis because of your sexual preferences, you might feel a little defiant about it.

    I.e. you're putting the cart before the horse. The political stridence of some members of the gay community is a reaction against discrimination, not the cause of their sexual preferences.

    This has had an impact on gay culture, but not on the underlying nature of homosexuality itself. You don't become gay because you want to be defiant; you are gay if you're sexually attracted to someone of the same sex.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriage <-- hahaha

    Things could get real fun on the right over the next few years....
    I could as well. I could also imagine that nominee getting a couple million less votes than this last one got, and 6,000,000 - 6,500,000 less than McCain did. Not a real smart strategy if you're looking to WIN an election.

    As for those who say.... But they'll be offset by the moderates voting for him/her...... I figured that into the figures. I could see the Republican Party losing half its support over the issue. There are no amount of potential moderates that can be gained to offset that sort of loss.

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