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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    In a related cut, the blue angels will no longer perform.

    The sequester, I told you so!

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    In a related cut, the blue angels will no longer perform.

    The sequester, I told you so!

    lulz
    Yeah, they have canceled for the Chicago Airshow. Although Emanuel is treading water and he may be able to call up Obama and ask a favor. Gotta keeps those Shootings down around here, know what I mean.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you need to see some more Pencil Pushers and any other marketing done by the FAA
    I hate to break this to you, but that office is basically a blip in FAA spending.

    It's so small, it doesn't even show up in the budget as a line item. It's a part of the Acquisition and Business Services (ACQ), which gets $45 million per year, and:
    • procures the goods and services the FAA needs
    • manages FAA contracts (around 50,000 per year)
    • targets 25% of those contracts to small businesses
    • does cost analyses for purchases and services
    • makes sure its acquisition process complies with existing laws

    The FAA's Office of Small Business don't do "marketing" and aren't "pencil pushers," nor are they a massive drain on the budget. The FAA is legally required to award contracts to small businesses. If you think this can be done by two guys in a closet, then you're dreaming.

    Again: Here's the FAA's 2013 Budget. You might want to actually read it before declaring something has no utility whatsoever.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Bad argument when you wonder why the people of the US are funding something that only benefits the airlines. They should cut all US hired ATC people, unless they are working for a military operation. This should all be funded by private enterprise. instead the taxpayers get to fund it. I am good with this cut and think we should slash anything but regulatory people making sure businesses keep up certain ATC standards. I don't see why we are doing welfare for the airlines to begin with.
    If you think air traffic control only benefits the airlines, there's nothing to talk to you about. You're so far removed from reality that you can't adequately discuss the topic.
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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....did you get confused over that part about Businesses that Could hire their own people in to handle towers. Do you think that if Millionaires and Billionaires are paying for their own people and putting up their own towers and airfields that the government would be providing airline welfare?
    Did you get confused where i said they should have done that from the start and the taxpayers have no reason to be paying for something that only effects their business operation? Airports and airlines should flip the bill for the people who run their towers. The taxpayer has no place in providing that service so they can avoid operational costs. Of course, this is another example of where republicans and conservatives support taxpayers flipping the bill for private business when it should be handled by the free market. gee, does that mean that all the hype people like you put into conservative ideals about the free market is all a load of BS? If it is not a load of BS you should be supporting the elimination of government run ATC programs in every airport.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Did you get confused where i said they should have done that from the start and the taxpayers have no reason to be paying for something that only effects their business operation? Airports and airlines should flip the bill for the people who run their towers. The taxpayer has no place in providing that service so they can avoid operational costs. Of course, this is another example of where republicans and conservatives support taxpayers flipping the bill for private business when it should be handled by the free market. gee, does that mean that all the hype people like you put into conservative ideals about the free market is all a load of BS? If it is not a load of BS you should be supporting the elimination of government run ATC programs in every airport.
    Well considering I had already stated what you came in saying.....concerning those Millionaires and billionaires. Kinda tells you where I was at with the issue. Hence my question if you were confused as you were explaining what I had said in short form.

    I wouldn't know about the Hype BS you are talking about and making some assumption over. I try not to get into all that assuming BS. Which is why I ask questions.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Just like the TSA, the FAA serves only the flying public directly, although it does provide indirect increased safety for those that would be zapped if airliners suddenly dropped upon them. The most logical thing would be to fund the TSA/FAA via user fees imposed upon the airlines (perhaps by taxing aircraft fuel), which would naturally be passed on as higher ticket prices for passengers and higher cargo charges for air freight. This is the scheme largely used to fund our nation's roadways by federal/state excise taxation of motor fuels.
    I am pretty sure the airline3s and airports have a vested interest is providing safe ATC operations for their customers. Nothing says take the train like a bunch of plane crashes, hijackings, or other in air problems. granted i could see a transitionary period where the airlines and airports would take over the responsibility, but I am all for them taking over full responsibility for their business. We can tax them anyway. they are using our airspace and ruining neighborhoods with noise pollution. I figure we could do both.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    when government workers are displaced, many will join the unemployment and public assistance rolls, which will also piss off conservatives.

    the fact remains, our resource distribution model is job : money : access to resources. that leaves us with the choice of hiring people to do something or paying them not to. they are not all going to find private sector jobs; it's a fantasy.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yeah, I knew this but posted to see if I could get the standard 'Fox News' sucks meme. .

    LOL, and that there people is the definition of a TROLL

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Bad argument when you wonder why the people of the US are funding something that only benefits the airlines. They should cut all US hired ATC people, unless they are working for a military operation. This should all be funded by private enterprise. instead the taxpayers get to fund it. I am good with this cut and think we should slash anything but regulatory people making sure businesses keep up certain ATC standards. I don't see why we are doing welfare for the airlines to begin with.
    ATC is not welfare for the airlines by any means any more than highway dollars are welfare for the trucking industry. ATC is core infrastructure. We could not have aviation without it (commercial, air freight, military, private)...and least not at any scale and by extension, we could not have a 21st century 1st world economy.

    BTW, as with all core infrastructure in the US, it is remarkably decrepit. Much of our air traffic control infrastructure is operating with 1960s radar technology... We are lucky it hasn't reared its ugly head in the form of a mishap.

    Engineers Give U.S. Infrastructure a 'D', Seek $2.2 Trillion in Stimulus: ASCE 2009 Infrastructure Report Card - Popular Mechanics
    ASCE | 2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure

    I have no problem with closing towers and reducing overnight shifts on many airports... of course, it wasn't that long ago that the FAA bolster overnight controllers because of tired controllers, one perhaps contributing to an accident in Lexington and a near accident in LA

    Comair Flight 5191 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Tired Air Traffic Controller Blamed in Near-Crash - Los Angeles Times

    BTW... airlines are taxed (in the form of aviation fuel taxes, landing fees and terminal and hanger rent) to pay for airport facilities and ATC, just as trucking companies pay highway taxes.
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