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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I haven't looked at the list, but I'm sure many of these airports serve noncommercial interests or little commercial interests. I have no problem with it at all. The Federal government is paying plenty to subsidize private pilots' hobbies. Time to trim.
    Private (or business) aircraft are not "hobbies"; they carry people and freight. The small airport nearest me, San Marcos, serves the nearby cities of Austin and San Antonio, as well as the F1 track crowd of rich folks from around the world. Unlike a car, these aircraft cannot simply stop and look around to see if anything else is comming, they rely on coordinated communication with controllers to more safely take off and land.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    See all those Hundreds of Millions of Dollars going overseas to help other people in other countries. Tends to put that in a real perspective. Especially when crying about Cuts!
    Sequestration is, in fact, making cuts to foreign aid and programs.

    • State Department diplomatic functions are cut by $650 million.
    • Global health programs are cut by $433 million
    • Millenium Challenge Corp. sees a $46 million cut
    • USAID loses $291 million.

    By the way, foreign aid is only around 1% of the total budget.

    Considering that the US exports around $186 billion in goods every month, maybe it's not awful that we plunk down some pocket change to prevent starvation and illness abroad. Certainly private citizens are willing to do so, at least when a hurricane or earthquake smashes a city abroad....

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Other than political gain (or loss) why are traffic control towers, WH tours, and the like, being closed and the free cell phone program...
    There is no %$#@!! "Obamaphone."

    There is a private sector program, run by a company called SafeLink, which provides 1 hour of call time a month to qualifying low-income households. It's not a government program. (FactCheck.org : The Obama Phone?)


    welfare in all its forms, and political salaries and perks left in place?
    Quite a few federal employees will lose their salaries, if not their jobs. Contractors will go first, because they are a) pretty expensive and b) contractors, so firing them is a lot easier. The same with any company.


    Does anyone really believe that we would not be better off with the closing of the 50 or so czar offices and the politicians staying in DC till the job is done?
    I'd prefer that government agencies be run by Oompa-Loompas, and give out candy for free. Unfortunately, that's not how government actually works.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They don't have the option. They are cutting both. Sequestration is really dumb that way.
    I would agree.....but then with 70% of these fields being in Republican states. I am sure you can understand how it looks like Cherry Picking.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    A lot of these towers were political payola/Build it and they will come projects anyway.
    Yep... and indicative of the real problem.

    People want services, but don't want to pay for them.

    These smaller airports are exactly the kind of "federal wasted dollars" that ought to be targeted. They're small, low-volume airports, and many receive federal funding and services because locals pressure Congress to keep them going.

    What these small airports ought to do is the private sector thing -- namely, hire or pay for the controllers to keep working, and charge those who use the airport for that service. Instead, we get all sorts of hue and cry about how this government spending is "necessary." As long as the people who use the airport don't have to pay for it, that is.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    This totally cracks me up. We are watching how much money we're spending, right? How important it is to use 200 million dollars over here instead sending it to foreign countries, am I correct?

    No one wishes to complain about the USA spending up to 800 Billion Dollars on a war in Iraq, that we are now in a hole with--including interest. That's fascinating!

    Lets all complain about always having to go chase the horse because of a lack of attention to closing the barn door, but if the barn catches fire lets immediately hold a meeting about assigning responsibilities on checking the barn door.
    That's 200 Million for Jordan. 385mil and 60 mil for the Syrian Rebels. 50 mil for those in Mali, and over 1 billion to Egypt. All within the last year and over 485 million within the last 2 weeks. Does that crack you up too? As I find it quite Hilarious.

    Course no one wants to bring up Libya and the 290 some Tomahawks Obama blew off there. Nor his moving Our fleets around in a way that has caused us to double the amount of fuel. Then of course there is that fiasco of providing our equipment for the French. So all the while one can cry about Iraq.

    Lets not forget Iraq and whats gone down with Obama there and of course there is Afghanistan where Obama has earned his just rewards with commiting us to another decade of being there. But hey lets all keep our mouths shut and don't say nothing.....Right?

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You may be onto something here.

    My community's airport is one on the list, and I'm still shaking my head. This choice really does seem punitive to me. The nearest airport with a tower will be 100 miles away despite there being a major university and a Presidential library here.
    Well they are also talking about shutting down Midway for the 3rd Shift as well. That would be a major dent for Chicago and Indiana people. Especially with them closing Gary Airport.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I haven't looked at the list, but I'm sure many of these airports serve noncommercial interests or little commercial interests. I have no problem with it at all. The Federal government is paying plenty to subsidize private pilots' hobbies. Time to trim.
    Well Maggie with them looking at stopping the 3rd shift at Midway. Closing Gary and Waukegan Airfields. Only Place to go will be O'hare.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's 200 Million for Jordan. 385mil and 60 mil for the Syrian Rebels. 50 mil for those in Mali, and over 1 billion to Egypt. All within the last year and over 485 million within the last 2 weeks. Does that crack you up too? As I find it quite Hilarious.

    Course no one wants to bring up Libya and the 290 some Tomahawks Obama blew off there. Nor his moving Our fleets around in a way that has caused us to double the amount of fuel. Then of course there is that fiasco of providing our equipment for the French. So all the while one can cry about Iraq.

    Lets not forget Iraq and whats gone down with Obama there and of course there is Afghanistan where Obama has earned his just rewards with commiting us to another decade of being there. But hey lets all keep our mouths shut and don't say nothing.....Right?
    Once we got ourselves in to that quagmire (Middle East involvement) just how easy do you think it is to get out? I hope that you do not think that it is as easy as getting out of a bath tub.
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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Once we got ourselves in to that quagmire (Middle East involvement) just how easy do you think it is to get out? I hope that you do not think that it is as easy as getting out of a bath tub.
    Well that's not the point of Contention with the Sequester......but when people are out of work, cant get a job, are living off assistance that is limited, it does get harder to try and tell them. We have to have these cuts. But we are going to decide where these cuts will be. While throwing money to people overseas and for whatever reason.

    Moreover I am sure there are other federal bureaucracies. That can handle a 2% cut that are not as valuable as Air Traffic Controllers are.

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