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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    small aircraft can still request a flight following. This really is not that big of a thing. A lot of these towers were political payola/Build it and they will come projects anyway. The Obama Administration has been going after smaller airports anyway--requiring them to narrow and/or shorten runways in order to get the improvement funds well before this.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    small aircraft can still request a flight following. This really is not that big of a thing. A lot of these towers were political payola/Build it and they will come projects anyway. The Obama Administration has been going after smaller airports anyway--requiring them to narrow and/or shorten runways in order to get the improvement funds well before this.
    What? Why would an airport be asked to shorten an existing runway? I've never heard of this happening in my 13 years of flying. I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting something here.

    edit: and flight following provides no traffic separation in the local pattern. It's mostly an en route thing.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What? Why would an airport be asked to shorten an existing runway? I've never heard of this happening in my 13 years of flying. I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting something here.
    I read an article about it a year or more ago. Apparently there are municipal airports that don't receive airline traffic that have runways capable of handling them when those airports are not eligible for airline subsidies because they are too close to other airports. I think some of them were legacy airports from WWII IIRC--runways a football field or more wide and 5K+ feet long. They are being cut back to still be able to handle corporate traffic, just not airline traffic.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Sorry, I meant the "pencil pushers" at the FAA. You know, the one you asked a question about being furloughed and for some reason didn't feel it necessary to check. It's not a brief unpaid vacation, it's permanently reduced hours. (one or two days off unpaid per pay period). There's no unemployment insurance to fill in the gap because they're still employed.
    Federal employees get nearly that much leave per pay period. That is a 7% cut in pay (tops), which is basically equivalent to their pay prior to their last "automatic" step increase. You are correct that no UI will be paid if they still get a paycheck.

    FAA tells employees to expect 11 furlough days

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...lian-employees
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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I read an article about it a year or more ago. Apparently there are municipal airports that don't receive airline traffic that have runways capable of handling them when those airports are not eligible for airline subsidies because they are too close to other airports. I think some of them were legacy airports from WWII IIRC--runways a football field or more wide and 5K+ feet long. They are being cut back to still be able to handle corporate traffic, just not airline traffic.
    Yeah, you're definitely misunderstanding something. They aren't going out and digging up half a runway because they want it to be shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Federal employees get nearly that much leave per pay period. That is a 7% cut in pay (tops), which is basically equivalent to their pay prior to their last "automatic" step increase. You are correct that no UI will be paid if they still get a paycheck.

    FAA tells employees to expect 11 furlough days

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...lian-employees
    Two weeks, ten work days, one now unpaid. 10% cut.
    Some controllers at still-open towers are doing two unpaid days per period, which is a 20% cut and often results in reduced operation hours at the tower.

    This is FAA-specific.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Federal employees get nearly that much leave per pay period. That is a 7% cut in pay (tops), which is basically equivalent to their pay prior to their last "automatic" step increase. You are correct that no UI will be paid if they still get a paycheck.

    FAA tells employees to expect 11 furlough days

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...lian-employees
    The airports in my area (San Marcos) will simply have their towers be closed since they use contract controllers. These controllers and other tower personnel will just be fired.

    FAA cuts funding to some Central Texas air traffic control towers | www.statesman.com
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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    CHICAGO (AP) — Under orders to trim hundreds of millions of dollars from its budget, the Federal Aviation Administration on Friday released a final list of 149 air traffic control towers that it will close at small airports around the country starting early next month.



    The closures will not force any of those airports to shut down, but pilots will be left to coordinate takeoffs and landings among themselves over a shared radio frequency with no help from ground controllers. Those procedures are familiar to all pilots.

    Airlines have yet to say whether they will continue offering service to airports that lose tower staff. The trade group Airlines for America said its member carriers have no plans to cancel or suspend flights as a result of the closures.

    The agency is also still considering eliminating overnight shifts at 72 additional air traffic facilities, including some at major airports like Chicago's Midway International and General Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee. There was no word Friday on when that decision will come.....snip~

    FAA to close 149 air traffic towers under cuts
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    Well around us they are Shutting down Gary Airport Tower and some of the Private Fields.....course once again blaming sequester cuts. Although if I was some of these millionaires and billionaires. I think they could build their own towers and hire their own people for Private fields. Which if it affects these types and business. Then they should also be able to turn around and make the Democrats and Obama pay the price.
    I haven't looked at the list, but I'm sure many of these airports serve noncommercial interests or little commercial interests. I have no problem with it at all. The Federal government is paying plenty to subsidize private pilots' hobbies. Time to trim.
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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The airports in my area (San Marcos) will simply have their towers be closed since they use contract controllers. These controllers and other tower personnel will just be fired.

    FAA cuts funding to some Central Texas air traffic control towers | www.statesman.com
    Yeah, the contract guys are getting screwed pretty good. They can't even bring their skills to some other industry, and given the sheer number of control towers cut they can't just transfer.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I haven't looked at the list, but I'm sure many of these airports serve noncommercial interests or little commercial interests. I have no problem with it at all. The Federal government is paying plenty to subsidize private pilots' hobbies. Time to trim.
    Does not compute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FAA to Close 149 Air Traffic Towers Under Cuts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Two weeks, ten work days, one now unpaid. 10% cut.
    Some controllers at still-open towers are doing two unpaid days per period, which is a 20% cut and often results in reduced operation hours at the tower.

    This is FAA-specific.
    That would be a 10% cut if it were all "take home" pay, yet we know at the controller pay rate that SS, Medicare, retirement and taxes make that "hit" a good bit smaller. Think for a minute, why a reduction in the planned budget increase needs ANY personnel action at all; the FAA still gets as much (if not more) in 2013 as it got in 2012.
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