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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

tech30528 said:
Good points. My angle here (besides all the armchairing going on IE the mother must have done it because she acted in contradiction of the psych paper I read last week) is that we are currently in the midst of trying to make wide sweeping laws to limit weapons for people who do not commit the majority of crimes with them. In this case we have several components of where the majority actually do occur, young black men with pistols. As much as people on a debate forum love to argue I get very little response on this. From my side I am being somewhat hyperbolic. We can see statistically where and by who gun murders occur, and yet the new batch of laws do not address them. I expected people to jump on the violation of people's rights involved with going door to door in poor neighborhoods to collect illegal guns, but they have not which is troubling in itself. Doing so, while it may be effective in curbing gun crime, would still be violating people's rights by illegal search and other issues. My point is that the proposed new laws would violate these same rights, and since the administration is willing to violate personal rights they should do it in an effective manner. Nobody has bit.

So don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping to the conclusion that the alleged shooter did it because he is black. I do however think that the same boy (or man, depending on your perspective) showed a serious lack of human compassion with the ability to point blank shoot an infant in the face. Holy ****. I would bet there are trained soldiers who couldn't do that. That alone says we have serious societal problems, be they limited to poor black neighborhoods or not. This case needs to carefully studied for ways to fix this problem. It is not going to be quick or easy, but THIS is where we need to start, not with bans. It is clear he has a loving mother, she lied and went to jail trying to protect him. Has there been any mention of his father?
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How do you presume to know that skin color is the issue here? You seem to be saying that if ALL things are equal the guy with black skin is likely to be the criminal in a gun crimes. Skin color, in and of itself, determines behavior? I don't buy it. I don't buy that at all.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.
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Oh c'mon. Goo goo gaa gaa?
 
Good thing the baby wasn't black and the suspect white or we would be dealing with a hate crime.
 
TurtleDude said:
Doing life as prison pass-arounds works for me for those two
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The Supreme Court rules last session minors can't get life without parole.
 
lizzie said:
Yes, by all means, a racial slur is a good reason to kill someone's baby. For God's sake.:roll:
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I've been called racial slurs by both blacks and whites and even treated with disdain, insulted and threatened for being an American that for me was far more offensive. None of it made me want to kill anybody.
 
Risky Thicket said:
How do you presume to know that skin color is the issue here? You seem to be saying that if ALL things are equal the guy with black skin is likely to be the criminal in a gun crimes. Skin color, in and of itself, determines behavior? I don't buy it. I don't buy that at all.
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You missed my intent there. What I'm saying is it takes a stone cold killer to shoot an infant in the face, and what we need to do is figure out how that happened. That and we know that the majority of shootings are black on black in poor neighborhoods, and we need to figure that out to. It's not just poverty, there are plenty of very poor areas that do not see this kind of violence.
 
tech30528 said:
You missed my intent there. What I'm saying is it takes a stone cold killer to shoot an infant in the face, and what we need to do is figure out how that happened. That and we know that the majority of shootings are black on black in poor neighborhoods, and we need to figure that out to. It's not just poverty, there are plenty of very poor areas that do not see this kind of violence.
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Maybe the percentage of non-white poor people is higher when compared to poor white people.
 
Superfly said:
Exactly. Neither will get life, or death.
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The sad reality is there is a major dysfunction in many lower income families. Due to centuries of discrimination certain segments of the American population had a legitimately classified disadvantage economically so in efforts to help, politicians came up with the idea to offer financial assistance to these groups. Other politicians said absolutely not, should hard working tax-payers be required to support families where there's a able-bodied man in the home. The compromise reached was financial assistance to the disadvantaged on the condition no father is around so Dad had to go. Some boys are naturally wired to need a strong male authority figure to hug them when they do good and spank their little butts when they do wrong, something these boys should have had at ages 3 to 7 or they grow up not respecting authority or anybody else. However, these boys didn't have that due to the multi-generalitional epidemic culture of absentee fatherism created by government policies that started in the 1970s that made it "normal" for there to be no Dad as a condition the poor had to accept in order for their children to eat food. 40 years later thugs who never had a Dad to lovingly discipline them because Dad was banned from the home are not only lives lost themselves but are terrorizing the American people including shooting babies at point blank range.

Tragically, I question much can be done for many of these thugs created by government beyond locking them up as long as possible and hope they have a life changing Jesus experience or die in prison before they're released to further terrorize the public. For those who can be rescued before its too late, we should support efforts to offer the best educational opportunities possible (which doesn't mean keep adding more money to the most horrible educational opportunities possible) and support and encourage positive mentoring and role-modeling of those with whom these kids can best identify with as father-figures in the absence of having a father of their own and life changing Jesus experiences before they engage in crime.
 
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Smeagol said:
I've been called racial slurs by both blacks and whites and even treated with disdain, insulted and threatened for being an American that for me was far more offensive. None of it made me want to kill anybody.
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if a racial slur makes you want to kill someone, you are an animal and the slur was probably accurate
 
Superfly said:
The New Black Panthers are here. :(

What's the difference between the New Black Panthers and the old Black Panthers?
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the old black panthers were secular and had a marxist bent(i believe). The new black panthers are basically a radical offshoot of the nation of Islam, which adopts all kinds of weird religious ideas about space men and "corrupted races"
 
If the races were reversed, would there be as much victim-blaming and denial being spewed?

The accused are obviously presumed innocent until proven guilty but it's just disgusting to read that some people here are already accusing the mother of fraud without seeing ANY evidence whatsoever. How can you be certain that the baby's mother is guilty when NONE of you have even seen all the evidence to judge anyone?

Would you victim-blamers have behaved similarly if the accused were white and the accusers were black OR is the presumption of innocence only afforded to non-white people?

Would you victim-blamers have aggressively questioned the credibility of black/brown accusers as you have done with the credibility of Sherry West?
 
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Samira said:
If the races were reversed, would there be as much victim-blaming and denial being spewed?

The accused are obviously presumed innocent until proven guilty but it's just disgusting to read that some people here are already accusing the mother of fraud without seeing ANY evidence whatsoever. How can you be certain that the baby's mother is guilty when NONE of you have even seen all the evidence to judge anyone?

Would you victim-blamers have behaved similarly if the accused were white and the accusers were black OR is the presumption of innocence only afforded to non-white people?

Would you victim-blamers have aggressively questioned the credibility of black/brown accusers as you have done with the sincerity of Sherry West?
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The presumption of innocence always (or should always) prevail in the judicial system. This, however, is a forum where people speculate. Trying to play the race card as if we are a court of law throwing racially charged indictments around is just petty whining and moral grandstanding as if you are the one holding all the facts.
 
Apparently one of the kids was also indicted for another shooting, as well. And the Mom ans sister apparently were charged for dumping a gun
 
poweRob said:
The presumption of innocence always (or should always) prevail in the judicial system. This, however, is a forum where people speculate. Trying to play the race card as if we are a court of law throwing racially charged indictments around is just petty whining and moral grandstanding as if you are the one holding all the facts.
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Questioning the biases of people of rushing to judgement is playing the race card? :confused:

I personally don't know the facts and thus I've refrained from passing judgement.

What I find disturbing is the amount of victim-blaming of the mother simply because of her race and the perpetrators' race.

I would never condone it if the accuser was black and the accused were white but some people seem justified in aggressively blaming the mother just because of her race and the perps' race, despite not having anymore evidence than the result of the people commenting.

Why can't people just refrain from judgement until ALL the facts are presented? Is it not possible to learn from the Duke lacrosse rape case and the Susan Smith case?
 
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Samira said:
Questioning the biases of people of rushing to judgement is playing the race card? :confused:

I personally don't know the facts and thus I've refrained from passing judgement.

What I find disturbing is the amount of victim-blaming of the mother simply because of her race and the perpetrators' race.

I would never condone it if the accuser was black and the accused were white but some people seem justified in aggressively blaming the mother just because of her race and the perps' race, despite not having anymore evidence than the result of the people commenting.

Why can't people just refrain from judgement until ALL the facts are presented? Is it not possible to learn from the Duke lacrosse rape case and the Susan Smith case?
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You are the one playing the race card. I've seen noone say she did blah because she's white. That's all you making assumptions of other's.
 
Samira said:
Questioning the biases of people of rushing to judgement is playing the race card? :confused:

I personally don't know the facts and thus I've refrained from passing judgement.

What I find disturbing is the amount of victim-blaming of the mother simply because of her race and the perpetrators' race.
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While a few people seem needlessly hung up on race here, the majority doubting her innocence seemingly based their views of how she was acting publicly. Which, while I don't agree with, hardly deal with race
 
hfd said:
Good thing the baby wasn't black and the suspect white or we would be dealing with a hate crime.
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Bigotry adds not one thing to the discussion in this thread or on this board, as far as I am concerned.
 
poweRob said:
You are the one playing the race card. I've seen noone say she did blah because she's white. That's all you making assumptions of other's.
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Really? You're certain, poweRob?


Kind of looked quite like a susan smith press conference.
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I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.
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All I know is that when I saw her, my brain whispered "shades of Susan Smith." If the police can't find the murder weapon and tie it to their "suspects", you can color me skeptical about the entire quick-turnaround arrest based on... well, based on nothing that's been made public beyond they fit the descriptions.
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My thoughts exactly. Some of the things she said just don't seem right. For instance, she said that after she got shot in the leg with a handgun, her leg went numb and since the gun was so small she thought it was a bb gun.
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A white woman kills her child and says an African-American is responsible? Nah, couldn't be.


I'm telling you guys, Brunswick is a plantation community.
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Dr. Chuckles said:
the old black panthers were secular and had a marxist bent(i believe). The new black panthers are basically a radical offshoot of the nation of Islam, which adopts all kinds of weird religious ideas about space men and "corrupted races"
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As I recall the old Black Panthers I think you are correct, Chuck. The new Black Panthers seem to be rather aimless and angry.
 
She did it.

Babies are expensive and keep you from going out.
 
 
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