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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

Dr. Chuckles said:
Besides being IDed by the witness and the supposed anoimous tip and confession. And while I agree that isn't rock solid evidence, it would seem to easily justify detaining them, while furthering the investigation.
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All these you described were before the police took them into police custody unless you can provide a link to what the anonymous caller's said that clearly identified the kids.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
You keep making contradictory claims. So its hard for me to give a proper assessment of the situation: mugshots would indicate an arrest, I believe
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If mugshots indicate an arrest, are you suggesting an arrest was made before the mugshots were shown to West for identification?
 
dolphinocean said:
Asking for specific identifiers is making everything into a "black thing"? Or is defending people who happens to be black an unpopular thing?
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Awww, stop it! You wouldn't even give a crap, if the suspects were white. And katy bar the door if the suspects were white and the victim was black, you would be screaming racism til the cows came home.

Your defense of these clowns and their race isn't a coincidence.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, if we ignore all the evidence gathered during the investigation there seems to be no evidence to support the arrest.

PS recognising the justified reasons for an arrest isn't asserting guilt
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"Ignoring" isn't a correct portrayal. The evidence leaked so far is simply questionable. Just as an arrest does not equal guilt, questioning the validity and/or process of the investigation does not equal innocence.
 
apdst said:
Awww, stop it! You wouldn't even give a crap, if the suspects were white. And katy bar the door if the suspects were white and the victim was black, you would be screaming racism til the cows came home.

Your defense of these clowns and their race isn't a coincidence.
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You have absolutely no basis to make such accusation against me while completely ignoring my argument. That's just personal attack.

I know my position is very unpopular. But, I still stand firm on my position that this case is conducted very very hastily. No matter the outcomes, it still looks bad on the police dept in my eyes. You may disagree of course, without the personal attack.
 
radcen said:
"Ignoring" isn't a correct portrayal. The evidence leaked so far is simply questionable. Just as an arrest does not equal guilt, questioning the validity and/or process of the investigation does not equal innocence.
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Yes, ignoring seems more than deserved on her account.
 
dolphinocean said:
You have absolutely no basis to make such accusation against me while completely ignoring my argument. That's just personal attack.

I know my position is very unpopular. But, I still stand firm on my position that this case is conducted very very hastily. No matter the outcomes, it still looks bad on the police dept in my eyes. You may disagree of course, without the personal attack.
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I'm still trying to understand how you can say that a description that eliminates 99% of the population is "too general".
 
dolphinocean said:
If mugshots indicate an arrest, are you suggesting an arrest was made before the mugshots were shown to West for identification?
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Lol, well being that my only knowledge of the arrest evolves around your constantly changing description of it, its likely I have no idea what actually happened ...
 
Well, this is how I would have described the boys.

Both Very dark-skinned black
Young, small. Not very tall, either of them.
One boy had very big lips and maybe a 2" afro (is it called an afro? It's not long)
One had funky hair, stood all over the place and he had large eyes

Now this is what they look like:

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The boys have already been indicted. Less than a week. They are moving very fast.

The mother and the aunt have been charged with several crimes as well, including disposal of the weapon.

The public defender has said what I've said all along - there has to be evidence that they aren't telling us about, because they are moving extremely fast in this case.

No word yet on whether or not the gun was used in the shooting, but the cops guaranteed that it was the same weapon. Also, the older boy, Elkins, used the same weapon on 3/11 in an armed robbery. And Elkins' mother was released from jail the day he allegedly shot the baby.

Dysfunction with a capital D.
 
Superfly said:
Well, this is how I would have described the boys.

Both Very dark-skinned black
Young, small. Not very tall, either of them.
One boy had very big lips and maybe a 2" afro (is it called an afro? It's not long)
One had funky hair, stood all over the place and he had large eyes

Now this is what they look like:

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why did you have to make this about skin color? Why can't it just be two "people"?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
why did you have to make this about skin color? Why can't it just be two "people"?
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Those who shoot babies in the face get the business...

That punk could have been hired by the mom for all matter - I could care less if he/she is black, white brown etc..... A poor cute baby was shot in the ****ing face and whoever was evil enough to do that should be shot in the ****ing face....

The sad part about this story is that Cops couldn't catch a ****ing fly - they'll just grab anyone..... The person who shot that baby should be shot in the face... I don't believe in an eye-for-an-eye nonsense, nor do I believe in the death penalty, but this cat has it coming to him - the actual trigger-man.
 
Superfly said:
Well that depends. Do you want to actually catch the guys or do you want to just stand there and play with your dick?
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Well ...

But I was just just making light of people seemingly getting upset over the police looking for african americans who missed school
 
dolphinocean said:
I am not going to be sure when it comes to police that showed hasty investigation with lightning quick arrest and charge of murder. Whether we are judging the mother or not, she is the one pointing the finger. I have yet to see any evidence linking the two kids to the crime.
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But you don't seem to have a problem with insinuating that mother had something to do with her baby's murder? Weird.
 
Superfly said:
The boys have already been indicted. Less
than a week. They are moving very fast.

The mother and the aunt have been charged with several crimes as well, including disposal of the weapon.

The public defender has said what I've said all along - there has to be evidence that they aren't telling us about, because they are moving extremely fast in this case.

No word yet on whether or not the gun was used in the shooting, but the cops guaranteed that it was the same weapon. Also, the older boy, Elkins, used the same weapon on 3/11 in an armed robbery. And Elkins' mother was released from jail the day he allegedly shot the baby.

Dysfunction with a capital D.
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It's "moving very fast" because they have the evidence needed to justify first, a indictment and second a guilty verdict.

It may well be that these kids were the prerpetrators.

An indictment means a Grand Jury heard the evidence and agreed with the prosecution.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
A white woman kills her child and says an African-American is responsible? Nah, couldn't be.

I'm telling you guys, Brunswick is a plantation community.
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Perhaps the plantation attitude is justified if you've got thugs like these roaming the streets shooting anything in sight.
 
From what I have seen in this thread so far it seems almost everybody has an opinion and has watched one too many episodes of CSI. There are only three things we know for sure.

1) A baby was shot to death with a pistol, NOT an assault rifle

2) of all the people involved, the baby was shot by a black person

3) nobody in Congress or the White House has mentioned disarming black people

Why do you suppose that is? Shouldn't our leaders be jumping at this opportunity to save the children?




I'm waiting to see how many of you armchair psychologists will apologize for your speculation once the truth comes out.
 
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tech30528 said:
From what I have seen in this thread so far it seems almost everybody has an opinion and has watched one too many episodes of CSI. There are only three things we know for sure.
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Maybe, but we are just trying to talk it through...It is a subject of interest.

1) A baby was shot to death with a pistol, NOT an assault rifle
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Yep, and the gun involved has little bearing on the case.

2) of all the people involved, the baby was shot by a black person
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I see very few people bringing race into this thread, other than one or two posters that have been roundly slapped down by everyone on both sides of the debate.

3) nobody in Congress or the White House has mentioned disarming black people
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Why would they do that? Are there not white criminals that commit these types of crime?

Why do you suppose that is? Shouldn't our leaders be jumping at this opportunity to save the children?
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I don't think that the race of those involved has much to do with the facts of the case. Maybe we should stick to that.
 
City Commissioner and Mayor Pro Tem James Brooks was arrested last night influencing a witness and obstructing an investigation. Apprently he blocked the County Sheriff from talking to Elkins' mother when she was leaving jail the other day.
 
j-mac said:
Maybe, but we are just trying to talk it through...It is a subject of interest.



Yep, and the gun involved has little bearing on the case.



I see very few people bringing race into this thread, other than one or two posters that have been roundly slapped down by everyone on both sides of the debate.



Why would they do that? Are there not white criminals that commit these types of crime?



I don't think that the race of those involved has much to do with the facts of the case. Maybe we should stick to that.
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guns don't kill people....black people kill people :roll: (relax folks it's a joke) race shouldn't be an issue here. anyone who shoots a baby is a scumbag, be they red, yellow, black or white (or any shade in between)
 
Thugs do come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.
 
j-mac said:
Maybe, but we are just trying to talk it through...It is a subject of interest.



Yep, and the gun involved has little bearing on the case.



I see very few people bringing race into this thread, other than one or two posters that have been roundly slapped down by everyone on both sides of the debate.



Why would they do that? Are there not white criminals that commit these types of crime?



I don't think that the race of those involved has much to do with the facts of the case. Maybe we should stick to that.
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Good points. My angle here (besides all the armchairing going on IE the mother must have done it because she acted in contradiction of the psych paper I read last week) is that we are currently in the midst of trying to make wide sweeping laws to limit weapons for people who do not commit the majority of crimes with them. In this case we have several components of where the majority actually do occur, young black men with pistols. As much as people on a debate forum love to argue I get very little response on this. From my side I am being somewhat hyperbolic. We can see statistically where and by who gun murders occur, and yet the new batch of laws do not address them. I expected people to jump on the violation of people's rights involved with going door to door in poor neighborhoods to collect illegal guns, but they have not which is troubling in itself. Doing so, while it may be effective in curbing gun crime, would still be violating people's rights by illegal search and other issues. My point is that the proposed new laws would violate these same rights, and since the administration is willing to violate personal rights they should do it in an effective manner. Nobody has bit.

So don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping to the conclusion that the alleged shooter did it because he is black. I do however think that the same boy (or man, depending on your perspective) showed a serious lack of human compassion with the ability to point blank shoot an infant in the face. Holy ****. I would bet there are trained soldiers who couldn't do that. That alone says we have serious societal problems, be they limited to poor black neighborhoods or not. This case needs to carefully studied for ways to fix this problem. It is not going to be quick or easy, but THIS is where we need to start, not with bans. It is clear he has a loving mother, she lied and went to jail trying to protect him. Has there been any mention of his father?
 
Pryde said:
Perhaps the plantation attitude is justified if you've got thugs like these roaming the streets shooting anything in sight.
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What precisely is the plantation attitude and where on earth is it that there are no thugs?
 
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