Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

dolphinocean said:

Way too early for the call. An arrest doesn't mean the police got the right persons nor does it prove the mother's story is true. Not saying it's not, but remember the name Susan Smith? Everything has to be checked out and pursued at this time.

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That is the reason I specified IF they are tried, and found guilty.

notquiteright said:

The mother claims to have ID'd one of the boys so the police don't need GSR to hold the two.

It would be difficult to determine the angles because unlike TV 'CSI' type shows you can't be certain positions of the people involved.

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Except, the boy tagged as the shooter now has his aunt saying he was with her at the time of the crime...

apdst said:

They can determine if her wounds are self inflicted.

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How can they do that? just curious if you have a clue or are just hoping...

j-mac said:

Except, the boy tagged as the shooter now has his aunt saying he was with her at the time of the crime...

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Oh I'm not saying the boys are guilty, just the police don't need GSR to hold the two boys.

The PO-lice can discount the Aunt's story if they choose to, they can say a relative isn't the best alibi. But Please don't think I am saying the kids did this.

AtlantaAdonis said:

I'm not condoning it, just saying there's probably more to the story.

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And we're saying its a ridiculous line of logic. By your logic, a woman that is raped deserves it because she went to a guy's hotel room with him. Right? She led him on after all. :roll:

lizzie said:

After reading the story in a couple of different places, I found it interesting that she reportedly had a teenage son who was also killed, when they lived up north somewhere (sorry, I forget exactly where, but I think it was in the NE coastal area). It seems odd to me that this one woman lost two children, in two different circumstances, to youth violence.

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New Jersey. Post #37.

j-mac said:

Except, the boy tagged as the shooter now has his aunt saying he was with her at the time of the crime...

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Well that's convenient.

IF the mother is involved... and there's no way to know that beyond the fact that her tearless cry-stop-cry routine was creepy... I doubt her own wounds were self-inflicted. A theory could be made that the mother... for reasons beyond comprehension ala Susan Smith... simply wanted the baby out of the way. To that end, she and an accomplice arranged the incident at a place where there were no visible witnesses. The accomplice kills the baby, wounds her, then runs away as she starts screaming for help. One neighbor who ran out after hearing shots/screams saw ONE person fitting her description running away. Not two.

Anyway, all conjecture based on a supposedly grieving mother's inconsistent behavior, and my own personal creep-O-meter.

DiAnna said:

IF the mother is involved... and there's no way to know that beyond the fact that her tearless cry-stop-cry routine was creepy... I doubt her own wounds were self-inflicted. A theory could be made that the mother... for reasons beyond comprehension ala Susan Smith... simply wanted the baby out of the way. To that end, she and an accomplice arranged the incident at a place where there were no visible witnesses. The accomplice kills the baby, wounds her, then runs away as she starts screaming for help. One neighbor who ran out after hearing shots/screams saw ONE person fitting her description running away. Not two.

Anyway, all conjecture based on a supposedly grieving mother's inconsistent behavior, and my own personal creep-O-meter.

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Look at her face. I'm sorry, but the cynic in me thinks that something stinks. I have teenage girls, and I know when somebody is forcing themselves to cry. I've seen this face a hundred times on my girls, when they want their way and are not getting it. Not a single tear on her face, but she's "crying."

What the hell happened here?

Honestly being from Chicago nothing shocks me anymore... I really cant come up with a rational theory here...

I don't know how many times I have seen mothers on TV crying about their kids that were murdered 8 hours after it happened...

This was a baby tho, and the perp shot the baby in the face - I haven't heard of (or could even imagine) something like this.

This is so awful it just pisses me off and makes me question humanity as a race.

Who could shoot this poor little baby boy????

There is no name in the English language to describe the psychopath that killed this little boy.

Superfly said:

Well that's convenient.

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Or... you know... true.

dolphinocean said:

The video of her and the way she intermittently cried with eyes looking down every now and then reminds me of Susan Smith. She looked and cried just like Susan Smith, it's like an old version of her coming out of the prison. Her long discourse about lethal injection for juvenile tried as an adult is so out of place for a grieving mother of such magnitude as if she was advocating for death penalty and not grieving for her murdered baby. Just saying ...

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Another thing she said was "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They’re expensive."

That seems like an odd thing for a grieving mother to say.

Makes me wonder if she is the same Sherry West from the Philadelphia "house of horrors" abortion clinic case. She does kinda resemble her.

Just thought I'd put this here:

Police arrest 2 teens in Ga. baby killing

West said she hopes prosecutors pursue the death penalty in the case. At her apartment Saturday, she had filled several bags with her son's clothes and diapers to donate to charity.

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On Keeping Belongings -

If you ask a bereaved parent: “What would you have saved first (assuming that there were no people nor animals in the house) if your house was caught on fire?” My guess is that the parent’s response would be: “I’d try to save my (deceased) child’s belongings.” Ask the same question a non-bereaved parent, or anybody else, and you’ll get a completely different answer.

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Death of a Child – Coping With the Death of a Child

Issues Couples May Face

The first six months following the loss of a child is when the majority of divorces occur. Problems that couples often encounter while dealing with grief include:
Lack of communication with one another.

Disagreement on how to parent their other children.
Being overprotective of other children.
Whether or not to have another baby.
Differences in how to grieve.
Putting blame and guilt on self and/or on spouse.
Turning to alcohol and drugs.
Looking for someone or something to blame.
One wants to talk about the deceased child, and the other doesn't.
Wondering when and where and how to deal with a child's belongings.
Decision about whether or not counseling is needed.
Financial concerns.
Turning away from one another.
One spouse may tend to feel anger sooner than the other.
One may tend to feel sadness sooner than the other.
One may want to "do" something to make things right again.
One may just want to "be."
If a couple had problems before the child's death, those problems can become more difficult to deal with.

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A local mother who lost all three of her children in four years to cystic fibrosis is asking the public to help her recover stolen items that belonged to her children.

Read more: Local mother needs help recovering deceased children's belonging - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston

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Pretty much everything points to parents wanting to KEEP their children's belongings. Not cleaning out the kid's room before his body is even cold. Something REALLY doesn't look right about this now.

Muhammed said:

Another thing she said was "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They’re expensive."

That seems like an odd thing for a grieving mother to say.

Makes me wonder if she is the same Sherry West from the Philadelphia "house of horrors" abortion clinic case. She does kinda resemble her.

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Initially when I heard the story on a radio show I took the mother's story at face value and was outraged at the young perpetrators for such senseless violence against a little helpless baby. Then when the radio host played the mother's interview on the air, even though I didn't visually see her body language, the way she described the incident, the tone of voice and her manner of crying gave me pause and in the back of my mind I said, "This sounded like Susan Smith all over again!" Sure enough, when I see the Youtube interview of her posted in this thread, it definitely reminded me of Susan Smith.

I know it's too early at this point to say for sure she or her accomplish was involved and people may grief differently when faced with such immense tragedy, but it is also true that people who have something to hide will unknowingly give out subtle body language and tone of voice that could be immediately pick up by the inner radar of other people.

Our subconscious human mind cannot be voluntarily controlled or suppressed. The more we try to suppress the true feeling, the more awakward the appearance would be and will come to suface in the involuntary expressions of the muscles of the face, the eyes, the vocal cord and the body movement.

At this point, I am more concerned of the violation of the rights of all the black teenagers in that town that fit the so general of a description given by this woman. I'm very concerned that the two youngsters could be so easily arrested based sorely on merely fitting the general description and identification by the woman.

If the police wished to use pictures of black teenagers for her to identify, they should at least start first with using pictures of teenagers who have solid alibi, such as juveniles who were in custody at that time, so that if she picked any of the two, the police would know she was either mistaken or she was making a false identification. That would at the very least tell them that she is not dependable in that regard.

Another thing the police should do is to go to the crime scene where she said the shooting occurred and look for blood splatter and blood trails leading from there to where she said she went to the yard of a house to give CPR.

Also, the police should look for the spent cartridge and the bullet that should hit the ground given the shot was fired downward at the baby's face while he was in the stroller. At the downward angle the bullet should exit the baby's head and hit the ground thus making a fresh dent in the ground near where the stroller was.

It's hard for me to believe the shooter would miss the adult head and her big body but was square on in hitting the baby to the face after the struggle with trying to snatch her purse and shooting at her. Why would she endanger herself and her baby by hanging on to her purse?

There are a lot of questions I can't help but to wonder out loud. Obviously, there are many on the internet that had already jumped on the two arrested teenagers and calling for their execution. But, I just want to caution the people to hold their horses because there are still many unanswered questions .... and a general description that fit just about any black teenagers does not a guilty made.

Hatuey said:

Just thought I'd put this here:

Police arrest 2 teens in Ga. baby killing



On Keeping Belongings -



Death of a Child – Coping With the Death of a Child





Pretty much everything points to parents wanting to KEEP their children's belongings. Not cleaning out the kid's room before his body is even cold. Something REALLY doesn't look right about this now.

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The giving away of her baby's belonging in such short order fits a pattern. That's all I'll say.

It's very disturbing that the police would talk about charging the 17 yo as adult and to determine who pulled the trigger at this very early investigation that based solely on the woman's identification is very disturbing.

Where is the evidence the teenagers were at the scene at 9 am that morning? Where are the blood/DNA or GSR on their clothings and hands? Where are the witnesses who saw the teenagers there let alone pulling the trigger.

Is the place so isolated that nobody could hear the commotion or the shot fired and nobody ran out to see what's going on? At 9 am shouldn't there be people going about to work or doing something?

Tragic story indeed, but I will admit that I did started laughing out loud when AtlantaAdonis came in here, read that the shooter was named "De'Marquis", and started race-baiting and making every black excuse in the book.

notquiteright said:

How can they do that? just curious if you have a clue or are just hoping...

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By the angle of the bullet's path. If she shot herself, the angle of the bullet will be dramatically different, plus she will have gunshot residue on her hands.

It is fairly clear that what we need to do is go door to door in these neighborhoods and disarm all the poor black men. The majority on gun related crime is done by them, it is time dropped to PC garbage and got down to the problem at hand.

apdst said:

By the angle of the bullet's path. If she shot herself, the angle of the bullet will be dramatically different, plus she will have gunshot residue on her hands.

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Who's to say she wasn't up against the bad guy trying to protect her baby? she could have been falling, he could have been ducking, she could have held the pistol backwards... lots of variables.

As far as GSR goes, if they don't test at the time she could easily wash up, any small trace can also be blamed on proximity to the muzzle.

It isn't like on TV, not cut and dry. one other thing, there would be a fine spray of blood BACK toward the shooter. Depending on distance and wind someone should have a fine blood spray on their hand/arm.

But hopefully the police conduct a good investigation, the problem is you can't go back and have a redo on the first few hours after a shooting/crime. If they didn't test the mother right away they may have missed critical evidence.

notquiteright said:

Who's to say she wasn't up against the bad guy trying to protect her baby? she could have been falling, he could have been ducking, she could have held the pistol backwards... lots of variables.

As far as GSR goes, if they don't test at the time she could easily wash up, any small trace can also be blamed on proximity to the muzzle.

It isn't like on TV, not cut and dry. one other thing, there would be a fine spray of blood BACK toward the shooter. Depending on distance and wind someone should have a fine blood spray on their hand/arm.

But hopefully the police conduct a good investigation, the problem is you can't go back and have a redo on the first few hours after a shooting/crime. If they didn't test the mother right away they may have missed critical evidence.

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Yeah, I guess you're right. Hell, that bullet could have been fired in Texas, richocheted off the fender of a '63 Chevy, then careened off a telecommunications satelite, then off Maw-Maw Baker's frying pan in Florida and straight at this ol' girl in Georgia.

dolphinocean said:

The giving away of her baby's belonging in such short order fits a pattern. That's all I'll say.

It's very disturbing that the police would talk about charging the 17 yo as adult and to determine who pulled the trigger at this very early investigation that based solely on the woman's identification is very disturbing.

Where is the evidence the teenagers were at the scene at 9 am that morning? Where are the blood/DNA or GSR on their clothings and hands? Where are the witnesses who saw the teenagers there let alone pulling the trigger.

Is the place so isolated that nobody could hear the commotion or the shot fired and nobody ran out to see what's going on? At 9 am shouldn't there be people going about to work or doing something?

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Well someone shot that poor baby.... Lets just hope the person that did pull that trigger ends up in "pound me in the ass prison" for the next 15 years and is then executed.

apdst said:

Yeah, I guess you're right. Hell, that bullet could have been fired in Texas, richocheted off the fender of a '63 Chevy, then careened off a telecommunications satelite, then off Maw-Maw Baker's frying pan in Florida and straight at this ol' girl in Georgia.

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And on CSI the 'techs' would set up a series of lasers to show the exact trajectory! Then lead the team to kick in the door and arrest the perp!

Wow, some people will just go down swingin' with their racism. Obvious black kid didn't do it. That's racist. Obviously a white conspiracy. Really...elaborate...conspiracy.

I bet she paid them to do it, pro-black crowd? Huh?

dolphinocean said:

The giving away of her baby's belonging in such short order fits a pattern. That's all I'll say.

It's very disturbing that the police would talk about charging the 17 yo as adult and to determine who pulled the trigger at this very early investigation that based solely on the woman's identification is very disturbing.

Where is the evidence the teenagers were at the scene at 9 am that morning? Where are the blood/DNA or GSR on their clothings and hands? Where are the witnesses who saw the teenagers there let alone pulling the trigger.

Is the place so isolated that nobody could hear the commotion or the shot fired and nobody ran out to see what's going on? At 9 am shouldn't there be people going about to work or doing something?

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Hilarious stuff coming from the guy who wants to hang george zimmerman without a single eyewitness of any crime even being committed, nor a shred of incriminating evidence against him.