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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

If the mother was involved, where is the gun?
The teens may be involved, but I hope they have more than we know now.
If they can get the younger to flip, and produce the gun, they will have a much better chance
at a conviction.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you wrote: "As far as I know, absentee from school isn't a legit probable cause to arrest/charge the two with murder and harassed the family with arrest."
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When the police went to comb the school absentee records West didn't know the juveniles nor their names. She only gave a very general description that covers just about every black juveniles in town. So, tell me where is the probable cause to single out the two black juveniles and harassed their family based solely on a general description?

And you didn't quote the parts where I included West identifying them (only after the fact of arrest, btw)

"http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/155272-police-arrest-2-teens-georgia-babys-killing-27.html#post1061619412

"We also must look at all possibilities given the hasty circumstance of the case with no eyewitness and no physical evidence yet to tie the two juveniles whose whole life is at stake based solely by West's identification which is travesty of justice if the woman is hiding something."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-georgia-babys-killing-27.html#post1061619707

"So far as I know, the whole case is based solely on her identification of one juvenile based on the photo line-up after police checked through school records of absentees. As far as I know, absentee from school isn't a legit probable cause to arrest/charge the two with murder and harassed the family with arrest"​
 
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longview said:
If the mother was involved, where is the gun?
The teens may be involved, but I hope they have more than we know now.
If they can get the younger to flip, and produce the gun, they will have a much better chance
at a conviction.
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Same question about where is the gun should be asked for the police arrest and charge of murder of the two juveniles. Their whole life is at stake.
 
dolphinocean said:
When the police went to comb the school absentee records the West didn't know the juveniles nor their names. She only gave a very general description that covers just about every black juveniles in town. So, tell me where is the probable cause to single out the two black juveniles and harassed their family based solely on a general description?

And you didn't quote the parts where I included West identifying them (only after the fact of arrest, btw)

"http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/155272-police-arrest-2-teens-georgia-babys-killing-27.html#post1061619412

"We also must look at all possibilities given the hasty circumstance of the case with no eyewitness and no physical evidence yet to tie the two juveniles whose whole life is at stake based solely by West's identification which is travesty of justice if the woman is hiding something."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-georgia-babys-killing-27.html#post1061619707

"So far as I know, the whole case is based solely on her identification of one juvenile based on the photo line-up after police checked through school records of absentees. As far as I know, absentee from school isn't a legit probable cause to arrest/charge the two with murder and harassed the family with arrest"​
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Great to know I wasn't the only one who thought she did it
 
dolphinocean said:
When the police went to comb the school absentee records West didn't know the juveniles nor their names. She only gave a very general description that covers just about every black juveniles in town. So, tell me where is the probable cause to single out the two black juveniles and harassed their family based solely on a general description?
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the eyewitness iding them ...


So far as I know, the whole case is based solely on her identification of one juvenile based on the photo line-up after police checked through school records of absentees.
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A photo line up isn't an arrest.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I understand the issues with eyewitness accounts. But those issues don't make DO's claims any more faulty: that they were simply arrested for missing school
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It's not faulty. Eye-witnesses unreliable even when events occurred on themselves. So, a general description that covers just about every black juveniles is not probable cause to arrest anyone let alone charging them for murder. So, without being specifically being named or have the witness at the school pointing her finger at them, they were simply arrested for missing school.
 
dolphinocean said:
Same question about where is the gun should be asked for the police arrest and charge of murder of the two juveniles. Their whole life is at stake.
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they are being detained during an investigation. That isn't the same as a conviction
 
dolphinocean said:
It's not faulty. Eye-witnesses unreliable even when events occurred on themselves. So, a general description that covers just about every black juveniles is not probable cause to arrest anyone let alone charging them for murder.
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you said previously they were picked out of a picture line-up by the eye witness. SO it wasn't based on a "a general description that covers just about every black juvenile"
 
dolphinocean said:
I didn't say I thought she did it. I merely question everything given the hasty police investigation and charges.
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Okay sorry for misunderstanding . so do you think she did it .... just shoot the baby in the head and yet only give the woman a wound that she will definitely live from ( it was in the leg less vital organs than any were else in the body ) something is not right though
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
the eyewitness iding them ...




A photo line up isn't an arrest.
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The eyewitness identified them after one of them was detained and brought to the police station. This police action is already without probable cause.

The I.D. by the woman came later that led to their arrest and charge of murder.
 
Un biased said:
Okay sorry for misunderstanding . so do you think she did it .... just shoot the baby in the head and yet only give the woman a wound that she will definitely live from ( it was in the leg less vital organs than any were else in the body ) something is not right though
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I merely say that until we have some evidence linking the juveniles we should question everything including West since the two juveniles were arrested and charged based on her I.D. of them.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you said previously they were picked out of a picture line-up by the eye witness. SO it wasn't based on a "a general description that covers just about every black juvenile"
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The police who picked them up from school absentee records was based solely on West's general description. The picture line-up came later.
 
dolphinocean said:
The eyewitness identified them after one of them was detained and brought to the police station. This police action is already without probable cause.



so he was brought in for questioning? As far as I am aware, the level of suspicion doesn't need to be particularly high for this


The I.D. by the woman came later that led to their arrest and charge of murder.
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right, so the arrest was based on more than a general description, like you keep claiming
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dolphinocean said:
The police who picked them up from school absentee records was based solely on West's general description. The picture line-up came later.
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yes, there is a difference between question a potential suspect and an arrest. And if your only knowledge of the events is that a unidentified black kid shot a child during school hours, then it makes sense to question the black kids that weren't in school that day.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
so he was brought in for questioning? As far as I am aware, the level of suspicion doesn't need to be particularly high for this




right, so the arrest was based on more than a general description, like you keep claiming
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So you think police can just detain anybody simply based on some general description that covers just about everybody in a certain group? Well, I have to say I disagree.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, there is a difference between question a potential suspect and an arrest. And if your only knowledge of the events is that a unidentified black kid shot a child during school hours, then it makes sense to question the black kids that weren't in school that day.
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I don't agree with you on your take that police can just question the black kids that weren't in school that day with nothing more substantial than a general description.
 
dolphinocean said:
I don't agree with you on your take that police can just question the black kids that weren't in school that day with nothing more substantial than a general description.
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Seems like a reasonable place to start the investigation.

How would you have conducted it?
 
dolphinocean said:
So you think police can just detain anybody simply based on some general description that covers just about everybody in a certain group? Well, I have to say I disagree.
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1) were they detained or just brought in for questioning?

2) you just said it was also based on their absence from school
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.
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no racial slur, no matter how foul, bigoted or offensive justifies shooting a baby in the face. anyone who allows any kind of slur to provoke them into a killing rage is probably an animal that needs putting down or locked permanently away.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, there is a difference between question a potential suspect and an arrest. And if your only knowledge of the events is that a unidentified black kid shot a child during school hours, then it makes sense to question the black kids that weren't in school that day.
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the level of stupidity evidenced by some people is staggering. would they be crying if it had been a white shooter and the cops questioned all the white kids that weren't in school that day?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Seems like a reasonable place to start the investigation.

How would you have conducted it?
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I would be sensitive to people's Constitutional right and not detain them based on school records and a general description that covers just about everyone in the group. I don't think you'd like to be detained and questioned for solely fitting a general description and absent from work or school, do you?
 
dolphinocean said:
I would be sensitive to people's Constitutional right and not detain them based on school records and a general description that covers just about everyone in the group. I don't think you'd like to be detained and questioned for solely fitting a general description and absent from work or school, do you?
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Were they detained or questioned? I ask because you keep making contradictory claims.
 
You know, I swear. Sometimes you can say something over and over and over, and people aren't going to listen.

Let me speak slowly, so once again, everyone will (or will not) listen. There were anonymous tips who led the police to the 15 year old, who was crouching blue in a car. Once they detained the 15 year old in the car, he told them who the 17 year old was.

So it's NOT just a matter of the police randomly grabbing two innocent black kids and throwing them in the slammer.

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Now can anybody tell me what color I mentioned in my post?
 
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