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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I think they would have to pay outsiders to do the work inside the prison so use that budget to pay the prisoners. It's of course only for those model prisoners who are not violent. Nothing wrong with letting a guy trying to do his time improving himself to leave with some money to get back into society and to have a trade to go for, as well.
    Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

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    No profit means no payroll for the prisoners. Period.
    Your prisions would be crazy expensive with all those private contractors doing for the prisoners what they could be doing for themselves.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
    And being locked up isn't payment enough? Nah, the guys need to earn money so that when they are released, they aren't easy prey for crime again to get some cash.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
    IMO, that "debt" is to come out of prison a more productive and less criminal person than what you were when you went in.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    IMO, that "debt" is to come out of prison a more productive and less criminal person than what you were when you went in.
    And that's fine, but I don't think they should get paid.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And being locked up isn't payment enough? Nah, the guys need to earn money so that when they are released, they aren't easy prey for crime again to get some cash.
    In some cases, it's not. For some criminals, prison is a right of passage; a badge of honor.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Private prisons are publicly funded and cost the state more than public prisons to run as well as being less effective.

    Even with that... they still fudge stats to make them look better than they actually are:

    The research, by the Arizona Department of Corrections, also reveals a murky aspect of private prisons that helps them appear less expensive: They often house only relatively healthy inmates.

    “It’s cherry-picking,” said State Representative Chad Campbell, leader of the House Democrats. “They leave the most expensive prisoners with taxpayers and take the easy prisoners.”

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    if they cost more and are ineffective then that would suggest management problems and the State needn't deal with that particular company. Or perhaps they can take harder criminals and other go elsewhere. Or vice versa. But is an outright ban necessary, or even legal?

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And that's fine, but I don't think they should get paid.
    So how do you propose integrating back into society a prison releasee who is broke and whose only money making experiences have been criminal activity?
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In some cases, it's not. For some criminals, prison is a right of passage; a badge of honor.
    Really? I think you've seen too much TV. For gangs and for hard core criminals, they will be back in NOT because they love prison, but because they are in gangs. For the majority of three strike prisoners, they just want to do their time and get out of there. if we don't train them and get them started, they will be back in. You DO know it costs us to house these prisoners, right? Even and especially if the prisons are privatized?
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    if they cost more and are ineffective then that would suggest management problems and the State needn't deal with that particular company. Or perhaps they can take harder criminals and other go elsewhere. Or vice versa. But is an outright ban necessary, or even legal?


    Yeah. You have no rights in a private prison. And every American deserves to have their grievances addressed and be kept from torture like the solitary confinement of private prisons. Banning is the ONLY solution.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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