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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Major kudos to the New Hampshire House. Hopefully this will push through the rest of the state government and then go viral to other states.


    House votes to prohibit prison privatization, bill moves to Senate for review

    The House on Thursday voted to forbid the executive branch from privatizing the state prison system, saying that to do so would shirk the stateís constitutional responsibility to rehabilitate inmates.

    The 197-136 roll call by the Democratic -controlled House sent House Bill 443 to the Senate, where Republicans hold a slim, 13-11 majority and the billís fate is uncertain, at best.
    I don't know what a private prison is. Not to mention prison is not about "rehabilitation" it's about punishment and paying your debt to society.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Doesn't work.

    Increases in staff to supervise/prevent escape offset any savings.
    It used to work. All of a sudden it doesn't? Yeah, that makes sense.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Major kudos to the New Hampshire House. Hopefully this will push through the rest of the state government and then go viral to other states.


    House votes to prohibit prison privatization, bill moves to Senate for review

    The House on Thursday voted to forbid the executive branch from privatizing the state prison system, saying that to do so would shirk the stateís constitutional responsibility to rehabilitate inmates.

    The 197-136 roll call by the Democratic -controlled House sent House Bill 443 to the Senate, where Republicans hold a slim, 13-11 majority and the billís fate is uncertain, at best.
    Nice one!

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A little bit? They should be entirely about rehabilitation. That's the entire point. We don't want people becoming better criminals in jails. We want them to get out and become productive citizens.
    100% agree. If the focus is overwhelming on the punitive over the rehabilitative, then you'd better prepare to hold them for life, because otherwise they're going to leave prison a whole lot crappier than when they entered.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It used to work. All of a sudden it doesn't? Yeah, that makes sense.
    Its always worked with low level inmates.

    You want to extend it to.ALL inmates.

    Nobody in a penitentiary worked on the farm.

    Chain gangs won't work for farm labor.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its always worked with low level inmates.

    You want to extend it to.ALL inmates.

    Nobody in a penitentiary worked on the farm.

    Chain gangs won't work for farm labor.
    Angola is a penientiary.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't know what a private prison is. Not to mention prison is not about "rehabilitation" it's about punishment and paying your debt to society.

    So the point of prisons is to help criminals network and learn how to make better plans for not getting caught?


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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its always worked with low level inmates.

    You want to extend it to.ALL inmates.

    Nobody in a penitentiary worked on the farm.

    Chain gangs won't work for farm labor.
    Back when I was 18 I got busted for a boat load of weed and ended up pleading to a crime I didn't commit (that had nothing to do with what I was really guilty of), they sent me to a minimum security "work camp" and I can tell you we certainly did work out in the community doing public works projects (mowing fields, trash pickup, setting up community fairs, painting buildings etc) although it wasn't "farming" it was still work. We got paid tho - like .75 cents an hour. They didn't work us to death and we weren't chained together. As a matter of fact it was about as good as it could get considering I was in "prison." It was all free movement - it was pretty much a compound with a fence around it with three dorms....

    Of course the "prison" (if you want to call it that) was profiting off our labor... So I'm sure they had private contracts with the community but I don't know if that is considered "privatizing."

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the point of prisons is to help criminals network and learn how to make better plans for not getting caught?
    I don't think that's the plan but it certainly is the end result if one ends up in a "real prison." Yes, hardened criminals teach other harden criminals new tricks - they do nothing to rehabilitate anyone in those places...

    How the hell are you going to rehabilitate someone if they're stuck in a cell 23 hours a day for years on end?

    All the prisons do is separate low risk inmates from moderate and high risk inmates... The low risk inmates (who are generally doing a few months or a couple years) are shipped to work camps, and in return for their work and good behavior they have the maximum amount of freedom. But those guys are generally not "criminals" and the majority learn their lesson and never return.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nevermind that Jimmy broke the law. Right?
    What does that have to do with the government taking financial responsibility for the laws it creates!?!?! If somebody breaks the law, it doesn't give the government the green light to pass them off to a private company for campaign contributions in the future.
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