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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    What about the criminals who get away with it?
    What's your point?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Are you aware that all inmates in the federal system work full time and ALL non-security work is performed by inmates?

    And it still isn't anywhere near self sufficient.

    Loss of freedom IS the punishment, making doing so "free" to the society that does so removes all consequence from that decision and therefore encourages abuse.

    What would keep them from simply locking up anybody who does anything anybody doesn't like?
    How many Federal prisons brow crops and keep livestock? Show me one.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What in the hell does that have to do with the topic?
    That your Con brain doesn't understand it is not surprising. Here, I'll explain it using apples. The government is "hiring" private companies to do the job it's supposed to do by way of private companies. These companies in turn lobby (bribe) lawmakers in order to get contracts which enrich them. If the lawmakers are simply going to waste taxpayer money incarcerating people for victimless crimes, they should make the government foot the bill for it without a middle man. In other words: If they are going to lock up Jimmy for growing weed in his backyard, it's their responsibility to make sure he is fed not whatever corporation is giving campaign contributions.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Why can private prisons not be rehabilitative?
    Because of profit. These prisons get money per prisoner, not per rehabilitative prisoner. Add to that corrupt courts and you have a system that is very bad. There have been several cases of American judges working together with the private prison system to generate profit for both of them. There was a case not long ago, where judge worked with a juvenile dention center and sent kids there on long sentences for minor charges and even innocent kids.

    IDK--we ship excess prisoners all over the place. I doubt the ones who land in Texas get much rehab, but stranger things have happened.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    But if the state puts rehab as part of the contract requirement, then it is the same end. It isn't like state's themselves have not been whacking back at all these programs in the public-owned prisons.
    And what's to prevent private prisons from avoiding such requirements through lobbying?

    Or maybe they'll just bribe judges to make up for their losses through rehab. Kinda like what happened in AZ with the juveniles.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many Federal prisons brow crops and keep livestock? Show me one.
    Lompoc used to, had a dairy and food crops. Not sure if they still do.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That your Con brain doesn't understand it is not surprising. Here, I'll explain it using apples. The government is "hiring" private companies to do the job it's supposed to do by way of private companies. These companies in turn lobby (bribe) lawmakers in order to get contracts which enrich them. If the lawmakers are simply going to waste taxpayer money incarcerating people for victimless crimes, they should make the government foot the bill for it without a middle man. In other words: If they are going to lock up Jimmy for growing weed in his backyard, it's their responsibility to make sure he is fed not whatever corporation is giving campaign contributions.
    Nevermind that Jimmy broke the law. Right?

    Look, if you want to argue that growing weed shouldn't be illegal, then start the umpteenth thread about that. However, this thread is about prisons, imprisonment and NH making it illegal to privatize prisons.

    Private prisons, or not, growing weed is still going to be illegal and Jimmy will still go to jail if he gets busted. Jimmy made a concious decision to break the law and forfitted his freedom because of that decision.

    I think the government should make sure that prisoners are fed. They should supply them with the necessary tools, supplies and supervision to grow their own food, thereby making the cost of operating prisons cheaper and making prison life tougher. If convicts don't like prison life, then they shouldn't break the law.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Lompoc used to, had a dairy and food crops. Not sure if they still do.
    As far as I know, Angola still does, but not as much I don't think. The bleeding hearts started crying that prison life is too tough when inmates have to do manual labor.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many Federal prisons brow crops and keep livestock? Show me one.
    I don't know about Federal prisons, but I believe Angola state prison in Louisiana still has farm labor. I remember seeing a documentary on it and thought it was great. As of 2010, it has 2,000 head of cattle and the prisoners harvest some four million pounds of vegetables annually. They produce cabbage, corn, cotton, okra, onions, peppers, soybeans, squash, tomatoes, and wheat. I think it should be an example other prisons should follow.


    Prisons should never be used for corporate profit. It is one of the few things that I think shouldn't be private.

    Prisons were made to do a job. Punish and rehabilitate criminals, but the latter it usually forgotten these days.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nevermind that Jimmy broke the law. Right?

    Look, if you want to argue that growing weed shouldn't be illegal, then start the umpteenth thread about that. However, this thread is about prisons, imprisonment and NH making it illegal to privatize prisons.

    Private prisons, or not, growing weed is still going to be illegal and Jimmy will still go to jail if he gets busted. Jimmy made a concious decision to break the law and forfitted his freedom because of that decision.

    I think the government should make sure that prisoners are fed. They should supply them with the necessary tools, supplies and supervision to grow their own food, thereby making the cost of operating prisons cheaper and making prison life tougher. If convicts don't like prison life, then they shouldn't break the law.
    Doesn't work.

    Increases in staff to supervise/prevent escape offset any savings.
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