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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the state wants to lock up people for selling weed, then it should take the responsibility of feeding them.
    Because they have the munchies?

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Why can private prisons not be rehabilitative?

    IDK--we ship excess prisoners all over the place. I doubt the ones who land in Texas get much rehab, but stranger things have happened.
    Profit motive.

    Rehabilitated inmates don't become repeat customers.

    Good behavior usually results in reduced time behind bars, which is ALSO bad for the bottom line.

    Stockholders want their dividends and rehabilitation doesn't serve that end.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prisons should be self sufficient. As much as possible, anyway. Prisons should have to grow their own food, labor provided by the prisoners, of course. They should have their own livestock, dairies, fields for crops. If they have a bad year, then it looks like the prisoners will have to miss a few meals.
    Are you aware that all inmates in the federal system work full time and ALL non-security work is performed by inmates?

    And it still isn't anywhere near self sufficient.

    Loss of freedom IS the punishment, making doing so "free" to the society that does so removes all consequence from that decision and therefore encourages abuse.

    What would keep them from simply locking up anybody who does anything anybody doesn't like?
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes they are. Prison is supposed to be about punishment.Much like fines, community service, and probation are punishments. That punishment is what is supposed to deter people from doing the crime and from repeating that crime.




    The cell was designed to lock inmates up and keep them from running around at night.
    Loss of freedom is punishment enough.

    Prison should be as much like life in the outside world as possible without the liberty and luxuries.

    Putting people in a wholly unnatural environment for years ruins most of them. Spending five consecutive hears in prison results in an 85% recidivism rate, regardless of the original offense. People simply adapt to the unnatural system and can't reassimilate.

    And a couple months won't fix it.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Criminals relinquish their own freedom when they commit a crime.
    What about the criminals who get away with it?
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If selling weed is illegal, then it's the fault of the people breaking the law that they are locked up.

    Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

    It's funny to hear "It's the law of the land", Libbos cry about criminals getting locked up.
    That point went way over your Con head didn't it? Simple, make something trivial illegal - then be ready to take responsibility for making it illegal. Don't make it illegal and pass it off to X company so you can make money.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Criminals relinquish their own freedom when they commit a crime.
    Criminals only relinquish their freedom when they get caught, and only then because the alternative is to relinquish their lives and/or livelihoods.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    If selling weed is illegal, then it's the fault of the people breaking the law that they are locked up.

    Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

    It's funny to hear "It's the law of the land", Libbos cry about criminals getting locked up.
    It's funny to hear conservatives praise high-cost, low-benefit policies with one breath, and then complain about government deficits with the next.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Profit motive.

    Rehabilitated inmates don't become repeat customers.

    Good behavior usually results in reduced time behind bars, which is ALSO bad for the bottom line.

    Stockholders want their dividends and rehabilitation doesn't serve that end.
    But if the state puts rehab as part of the contract requirement, then it is the same end. It isn't like state's themselves have not been whacking back at all these programs in the public-owned prisons.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    Criminals only relinquish their freedom when they get caught, and only then because the alternative is to relinquish their lives and/or livelihoods.
    They get caught, because they commit a crime, which was a concious decision on their part.

    It's funny to hear conservatives praise high-cost, low-benefit policies with one breath, and then complain about government deficits with the next.
    Where did I do that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That point went way over your Con head didn't it? Simple, make something trivial illegal - then be ready to take responsibility for making it illegal. Don't make it illegal and pass it off to X company so you can make money.
    What in the hell does that have to do with the topic?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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