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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

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    Why can private prisons not be rehabilitative?
    Because they placate prisoners in order to keep order rather than making prison unpleasant enough that they wouldn't want to ever return.

    And they cut costs by whatever means possible, which means cutting things like substance abuse treatment programs, vocational skills training programs, GED classes, etc. which are proven to reduce recidivism rates.

    Private prisons are incentivized to do what they can to ensure people return to prison.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Tripped across this story just now.

    Lake Erie Prison Plagued By Violence And Drugs After Corporate Takeover

    "It was common for us to speak about who was going to die first," Paul Reynolds, a former correctional officer at Lake Erie who says he was released last year because of disagreements with CCA management, told HuffPost. "They were afraid to get sued for any little thing, so management basically tied our hands on everything. Within three months, we lost that prison to those inmates."
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree with this.Corrections and law enforcement duties should not be done by private companies. Prison should be about punishment and a little bit of rehabilitation, not profit. People should be put into prison because they deserve to be there not because they might make some company money.
    A little bit? They should be entirely about rehabilitation. That's the entire point. We don't want people becoming better criminals in jails. We want them to get out and become productive citizens.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A little bit?
    Yes.The last several months of their sentence can focus on rehabilitation. Its main focus should be punishment. Prisons are not hospitals.

    They should be entirely about rehabilitation.
    No they shouldn't. A guy in prison for 10 or twenty years or on his 2nd, or 3rd offence does not need to spend 10-20 years being rehabilitated.The last several months of their sentence can be dedicated to that.

    That's the entire point. We don't want people becoming better criminals in jails. We want them to get out and become productive citizens.
    You seem to have prisons confused with dormitories and schools.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes.The last several months of their sentence can focus on rehabilitation. Its main focus should be punishment. Prisons are not hospitals.



    No they shouldn't. A guy in prison for 10 or twenty years or on his 2nd, or 3rd offence does not need to spend 10-20 years being rehabilitated.The last several months of their sentence can be dedicated to that.



    You seem to have prisons confused with dormitories and schools.
    If you have it centered around rehabilitation, those in for those 10 to 20 years put on that path are then evangelizing to the newbs these methods rather than teaching the ingredients and methods of creating the best meth batch. Prisons are not supposed to be for punishment. The "cell" was designed around monk quarters where you go to reflect.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    If you have it centered around rehabilitation, those in for those 10 to 20 years put on that path are then evangelizing to the newbs these methods rather than teaching the ingredients and methods of creating the best meth batch. Prisons are not supposed to be for punishment.
    Yes they are. Prison is supposed to be about punishment.Much like fines, community service, and probation are punishments. That punishment is what is supposed to deter people from doing the crime and from repeating that crime.


    The "cell" was designed around monk quarters where you go to reflect.
    The cell was designed to lock inmates up and keep them from running around at night.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes they are. Prison is supposed to be about punishment.Much like fines, community service, and probation are punishments. That punishment is what is supposed to deter people from doing the crime and from repeating that crime.





    The cell was designed to lock inmates up and keep them from running around at night.
    Consider the origin of the of the word penitentiary. It means " a place to do penance"

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes they are. Prison is supposed to be about punishment.Much like fines, community service, and probation are punishments. That punishment is what is supposed to deter people from doing the crime and from repeating that crime.




    The cell was designed to lock inmates up and keep them from running around at night.

    If you want the results of "deter people from doing the crime and from repeating that crime" the punishment angle is the failure way to acheive those results.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    If the State takes away your freedom then it's responsible for providing for you, unless you don't believe in the Constitution of the United States.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't create retributive laws and then not take responsibility for the number of people you lock up. You either reduce the laws or increase funding.

    Unless of course you believe in Stalinism. Then prisons are pretty much gulags run by survival of the fittest.
    Criminals relinquish their own freedom when they commit a crime.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the state wants to lock up people for selling weed, then it should take the responsibility of feeding them.
    If selling weed is illegal, then it's the fault of the people breaking the law that they are locked up.

    Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

    It's funny to hear "It's the law of the land", Libbos cry about criminals getting locked up.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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