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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    One simple example: The Idiotic War on (some) Drugs. Do you think a private company running prisons would not lobby aggressively against decriminalization that would empty a third of its cells?
    There were plenty of laws against drugs long before privately run prisons came about,

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There were plenty of laws against drugs long before privately run prisons came about,
    Of course. I'm just saying: do not create an additional new problem where the old problems are quite enough.

    Whenever possible, we should keep business and government separate, lest they corrupt each other. The cop cannot be a business partner, for the obvious reasons.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Of course. I'm just saying: do not create an additional new problem where the old problems are quite enough.

    Whenever possible, we should keep business and government separate, lest they corrupt each other. The cop cannot be a business partner, for the obvious reasons.
    But so far I'm not aware of any additional problems. Concerns certainly, and they might well be justified.

    But in this instance is the government interfering in what should be private business or is private business interfering with public business? We do know that their has been corruption in the prison system since day one but with the government running the show, and the bureaucracy fully entrenched, I'm not sure it isn't time to take another look at it.

    At least they shouldn't make them illegal. On the surface that seems to be a pro union stance rather than one done for altruistic reasons.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But in this instance is the government interfering in what should be private business or is private business interfering with public business? .
    It is an instance of the government abandoning its proper and indispensible functions - and inviting "private" corruption.

    There's no such thing as a natural incarceration market. The justice system, warts and all, cannot be privatized, by definition, as a whole or in parts.

    This is a contentious issue among libertarians. Suffice to say, this is probably one single area where I had disagreed strongly with the man I've voted for in November - Gary Johnson. For my money, private prisons is nonsense - just like competing private courts, police forces or drug safety adminstrations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    On the surface that seems to be a pro union stance rather than one done for altruistic reasons.
    Hey, politicians making a right choice for all the wrong reasons is the very definition of reasonable hope.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I never said you did. You asked why no one was getting rehabilitated. It's because it's for profit.
    Then, why do you keep trying to convince me that privatized prisons are a bad idea? I already agree that it's a bad idea. So why keep harping on it?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, why do you keep trying to convince me that privatized prisons are a bad idea? I already agree that it's a bad idea. So why keep harping on it?
    I just follow your lead on attacking my posts and defend my position.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There were plenty of laws against drugs long before privately run prisons came about,
    Ah, yes, but there were NOT the 3-Strike laws that Dad Bush pushed to make more prisoners for the newly formed Private prisons.
    Alex Carey:

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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I just follow your lead on attacking my posts and defend my position.
    But, I never said that prisons should be privatized...LOL!!! And, that seems to be the only thing you're arguing against.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Same could be said for you. Yes?
    No...

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Ah, yes, but there were NOT the 3-Strike laws that Dad Bush pushed to make more prisoners for the newly formed Private prisons.
    You see why leftists have such a dismal reputation?

    The first three strike law was in Washington State, the second in California. These are States laws, as is the one under discussion, and has nothing to do with George Bush, his father, or global warming for that matter. Sheesh!

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