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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Thank god there is sense somewhere in this country. Incarceration should not be about profit. If the State wants to put so many people in jail for victimless crimes, then it can pay for it; and if it can't afford it, then it's time to review some of those unnecessary laws.

    Keeping the prison system state run keeps the laws sane.
    The State doesn't pay for it, the people they tax pays for it. Typical solution would be to increase taxes to cover such costs or an alternative source of tax. I doubt it will become unaffordable anytime soon so they can review such laws.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If selling weed is illegal, then it's the fault of the people breaking the law that they are locked up.

    Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

    It's funny to hear "It's the law of the land", Libbos cry about criminals getting locked up.
    It's funny when you talk about the law of the land but you don't think the same way about laws you disagree with.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Good call.

    Creating out of thin air a whole industry interested in expansion of incarceration is a terrible idea, even if it saves a buck here and there.

    We put the State, with it coercive force and punitive methods in charge of policing, courts and prisons for a reason.

    As a rule of thumb, the government should deal with what we want less of: crime, foerign aggression, safety violations, etc
    The market, with its creativity and resilient growth should do what we want more of: goods and services provided and accepted voluntarily.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because of profit. These prisons get money per prisoner, not per rehabilitative prisoner. Add to that corrupt courts and you have a system that is very bad. There have been several cases of American judges working together with the private prison system to generate profit for both of them. There was a case not long ago, where judge worked with a juvenile dention center and sent kids there on long sentences for minor charges and even innocent kids.



    Because it is a 10s of billion dollar industry....
    Are you talking about the case in pa? I can't think of many other example. Let alone enough to present it as some major issue, like you do above

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Good call.

    Creating out of thin air a whole industry interested in expansion of incarceration is a terrible idea, even if it saves a buck here and there.

    We put the State, with it coercive force and punitive methods in charge of policing, courts and prisons for a reason.

    As a rule of thumb, the government should deal with what we want less of: crime, foerign aggression, safety violations, etc
    The market, with its creativity and resilient growth should do what we want more of: goods and services provided and accepted voluntarily.

    But how can private prisons expand unless crimes are committed and government judges provides sentences? It's not up to private prisons to decide how many arrive at their gates, the length of the sentences, parole times, etc.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Loss of freedom is punishment enough.

    Prison should be as much like life in the outside world as possible without the liberty and luxuries.

    Putting people in a wholly unnatural environment for years ruins most of them. Spending five consecutive hears in prison results in an 85% recidivism rate, regardless of the original offense. People simply adapt to the unnatural system and can't reassimilate.

    And a couple months won't fix it.
    I generally think that you take a reasonable approach to most issues, What if.., however, not so much on this point. A loss of freedom is NOT merely enough for some crimes, although, I'll grant you that lessor, victimless crimes would garner that sentiment. Violent crimes, crimes where material harm (which all and I mean ALL laws should be based on) has taken place require a more severe punitive measure, IMO. Society demands it, frankly, and so they should. Jamesrage is correct. Crime is punishable, and the punishment should fit the crime. Sounds easy enough, you'd think, but clearly we have a lot of disagreement about what punishment we should dole out for what crimes. Someone is Colorado {As an example) breaking into a home and stealing a TV shouldn't receive more time as that of someone raping a child, IMO, but alas, that seems to be the way it is there. I don't want violent criminals rehabilitated. I want them punished, and very hard! No TV, a cold bed, a toilet, and three meals a day. During the day I want them doing hard labor. I want it so BAD that any thought of committing the same offense when they get out is the last thing on their minds. I certainly do NOT want them to feel as though if they do it again, all they'll have to endure is a nice warm comfy bed, Sat TV, steak dinner, and smokes. Sorry, I don't see it that way. The criminal mind is rarely rehabilitable, and rehabilitation is only successful statistically if the criminal is younger between the ages of 18 to 25. Older criminals have shown to be less successful in rehabilitation programs, and violent criminals are almost statistically sure to re-commit after being released. Plus, how the hell does someone know if someone has been rehabilitated anyway?

    There is some data that shows success, so I'll grant you that, but the devil is in the details. The success rates depend greatly on the age of the offender, and amount of time spent rehabilitating, and the age at which they are released. The age at which the crime was committed, the term spent in confinement, and the type of crime, tends to point to a predictable pattern of recidivism. To me this is one of those topics that really needs a national referendum. The pinheaded psychologists, and researchers and do-gooders have been experimenting with crime and punishment far to long, IMO. We as a society not only have the right to set these standard, we are obligated to. We are also responsible for the consequences, however positive, and or negative they come to be reconciled.


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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    It's funny when you talk about the law of the land but you don't think the same way about laws you disagree with.
    Same could be said for you. Yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But how can private prisons expand unless crimes are committed and government judges provides sentences? It's not up to private prisons to decide how many arrive at their gates, the length of the sentences, parole times, etc.
    well, the CCPOA is just a prison guard lobby. But through lobbying they were able to get legislation passed that enforced harsher minimum sentencing guidelines, prevent the decriminalization of marijuana, and even shape the process their behavior was reviewed under

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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't disagree, which is why I never suggested that prisons should be privatized.
    I never said you did. You asked why no one was getting rehabilitated. It's because it's for profit.
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    Re: New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But how can private prisons expand unless crimes are committed and government judges provides sentences? It's not up to private prisons to decide how many arrive at their gates, the length of the sentences, parole times, etc.
    One simple example: The Idiotic War on (some) Drugs. Do you think a private company running prisons would not lobby aggressively against decriminalization that would empty a third of its cells?

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