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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think some over generalize too much, and may see their own battles as more difficult than they were, and not a good comparison to others.
    It goes both ways BR. People overgeneralize that the poor are some helpless creatures running in quicksand trying to pay for everything with no hope for the future, and they also overgeneralize that personal responsibility and hardwork are the sole determinants of success. Both sides usually use more extreme examples to prove their case, and I think that it usually lies somewhere in between for any given individual. However, I do think that on average looking at an overall population, people are more likely to improve their circumstances when they make personally responsible choices and work hard; even if results may vary from person to person.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't blame anyone for the mistakes I made with my life other than myself, and after realizing that, and some pretty hard times, we clawed our way back to the middle class through hard work, and it was a good lesson learned. One that the kids watched, took in, and are better for having gone through it.
    An internal locus of control is a pretty powerful thing.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    It goes both ways BR. People overgeneralize that the poor are some helpless creatures running in quicksand trying to pay for everything with no hope for the future, and they also overgeneralize that personal responsibility and hardwork are the sole determinants of success. Both sides usually use more extreme examples to prove their case, and I think that it usually lies somewhere in between for any given individual. However, I do think that on average looking at an overall population, people are more likely to improve their circumstances when they make personally responsible choices and work hard; even if results may vary from person to person.
    I do as well and will carry that thought forward, poor choices you usually lead to poor outcomes.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't blame anyone for the mistakes I made with my life other than myself, and after realizing that, and some pretty hard times, we clawed our way back to the middle class through hard work, and it was a good lesson learned. One that the kids watched, took in, and are better for having gone through it.
    That is the meaning of life, in a nutshell. Make mistakes, learn from them, make your life better. Repeat. If you can teach you kids in the midst of it, all the better.
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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Oh, so you too didn't read the article?

    Well, that's fine (I guess) but I wish you'd just come out and admit that you didn't read it.
    To quote directly from the article you did not read and I did:

    There's no diagnosis called disability. You don't go to the doctor and the doctor says, "We've run the tests and it looks like you have disability." It's squishy enough that you can end up with one person with high blood pressure who is labeled disabled and another who is not.
    I could quote some more areas where it says disability is not well defined, but I think I have proven my point.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    To quote directly from the article you did not read and I did:



    I could quote some more areas where it says disability is not well defined, but I think I have proven my point.
    You're right, because "disability" is a terminology for the program, not the condition, nor the level, or percentage of disability involved in any particular case. It really all depends on what they are awarding SSD payments for.
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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Statistics to back this up? I know a ton of hard working poor people who've never gotten anywhere. Blue collars mostly. Work 60-70 hour weeks just to get a week off every year. Education? $15K a year tuition averages? Good luck affording that if your family is a bunch of poor suckers working 8-5s just to make ends meet. Oh, then there's the military - yeah, vets finding jobs seems to be a problem. So what are the options VanceMack? Wishful thinking and pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps while going up a stair case? Heard it all before.
    15k a year for tuition? Try $2500 a year.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    When you are right for the wrong reasons, you just look foolish. I mean it's not like liberals didn't predict that we would have record dependency and record debts. We certainly did know this would happen. We just also knew, correctly, that it would be the consequence of an economy that is not generating enough jobs. Conservatives have this fantasy that it is largely because current dependent people are lazy.
    Except when that view is backed by a study: http://research.upjohn.org/cgi/viewc...=empl_research

    . At one
    welfare-to-work program, Project Match in Chicago, researchers found that 46 percent of the program clients lost their
    first job by three months, 60 percent by six months, and 73 percent by twelve months (Berg, Olson and Conrad 1992).
    This poor job retention is not due primarily to inadequate technical or "hard" skills. Welfare recipients
    generally lose jobs because of problems with absenteeism and punctuality, or because of conflicts with supervisors and
    co-workers
    (Berg, Olson and Conrad 1992; Quint and Musick 1994). The one "hard skills" deficiency that is frequently
    mentioned is problems in running a cash register.
    Job retention problems occur in part because many welfare recipients find the circumstances of low-wage jobs
    to be unfamiliar. The usual daily activities of an unemployed welfare recipient are comprised of child care and home
    care, with no supervisors or co-workers to accommodate, and with the welfare recipient controlling her own schedule.
    73% lose their jobs because they either don't show up, show up later, or argue with their boss (probably about having to actually do something to earn their paycheck).
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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    *snip*
    Oh, so you did read the article! Wonderful.

    Though, how you came to the stupid conclusion that it illustrates the problem of a "lack of a tight ship", whatever that means, is beyond me.

    I mean, really? Disability isn't something that is well defined? THAT'S what you got from the article?

    You clearly skimmed over it with the same typical conservative blinders I spoke of earlier, where you only read the portion you want to read and ignore everything else.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Except when that view is backed by a study: http://research.upjohn.org/cgi/viewc...=empl_research



    73% lose their jobs because they either don't show up, show up later, or argue with their boss (probably about having to actually do something to earn their paycheck).
    If you honestly think your link stated loss of jobs was due to laziness, you didn't read it.

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