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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Forrest Gump was just a movie. People don't just overcome disabilities like that in real life. Exactly what disabilities are you talking about that kids can learn to overcome, but instead choose to remain disabled?
    This post shows serious ignorance. Plenty of things such as ASD's isn't just a case of "someone has it or they don't." Its in the name, a spectrum, where symptoms can range from mild to severe. Of course they may not just get better overnight, but there are plenty of cases of people learning to cope and being able to handle a natural progression in mainstream schooling even if it is challenging. But if that progression means that the child may outgrow disability benefits, then the parent doesn't want that. Such as the kid in the article whose parents told him he couldn't get a job because they'd lose benefits. That is holding someone back in my opinion.

    Also, not all "disabilities" are created equal. Having dyslexia isn't the same as having Down-syndrome. I don't think anyone should be talking about getting rid of benefits for Down syndrome kids. But dyslexia still is considered a "learning disability" and can still qualify. I think that is the fundamental problem with disability benefits. It categorizes a million completely different things under one umbrella term and gives out the same benefits for anyone under the umbrella.

    And lastly, there are many disorders such as ASD where symptoms are vary in a spectrum, yet it is labeled a single thing. It is the same kind of umbrella labeling. The problem is umbrella labeling and removing that umbrella labeling I think is our best solution to making disability benefits more flexible and less abusable.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I believe it has been a contributing factor to what has happened, and so did the article linked in op. So, it likely is. And no one argues it is the point of the program. Many things function beyond their reason for being. This is neither new nor unusual. But fixing the problem I believe requires that we look at it realistically and honestly.
    Putting the cart before the horse? We can fix the program and deal with those hardships seperately. But the hardships do not justify avoiding action.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Putting the cart before the horse? We can fix the program and deal with those hardships seperately. But the hardships do not justify avoiding action.

    Yes, we can, and should, but have not. Nor did I say it justified, but only that it is happening.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The original comment was TDs. J just jumped in to complain.

    Knee jerk reactions go both ways. I won't argue otherwise. But there is. Belief concerning fairness as strong as what conservatives hold. No one is really in favor of abuse. Often what we argue about is what side we err on. I don't mind a call to review standards and address issues. What I mind is the claim that a group is universally moochers, or that a party wants such leeches to gain votes.




    I don't think anyone has been duped. I think there are major changes in circumstances forcing some to us disability as a fall back, as the article in op briefly touches on. Sure there are some people abusing the system (how many is unknown), just as there is at all levels.

    And I think it is an issue, but one that needs to be dealt more by addressing the system and not demonizing people.

    I didn't mean to ignore your study question. Regardless of how well defined it is or isn't, we can't make any claims with certainty without know that information.
    If the study terms aren't well defined then it is worthless study.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    If the study terms aren't well defined then it is worthless study.
    We can define them before we start. But without one, we know nothing.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    What do you propose that people that don't show up or are habitually late are?
    No no, far be it from me to explain to you the myriad of reasons someone could be absent or late from work.

    I'll leave you with this suggestion though, if you're actually curious: Read the link. The whole thing.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Many cities and counties have programs to move people from welfare to disability. There are several reasons for this:
    1. In many places, welfare does not provide enough money to afford a place to live, so it keeps the homeless on the street. Disability pays enough to get a place to live.
    2. Getting disability also qualifies one for home healthcare, rehabilitation, meds and other assistance.
    3. Many people are genuinely disabled, often mentally, and it is cruel to leave them on the streets where their mental heallth issues impact public safety and quality of life for all.
    4 Welfare ends at a certain time. Disability can be continued as long as the problem continues.
    4. It shifts the cost of assistance from the county to the feds.

    Those are mostly good reasons. The main disadvantage is that disability benefit rules generally discourage people from getting work. The laws should be re-examined to encourage transitioning the people capable of work into jobs. To make that work, the disabled need to be protected from problems such as losing their homes if they lose disability from taking a job and then lose their job.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many cities and counties have programs to move
    people from welfare to disability. There are several reasons for this:
    1. In many places, welfare does not provide enough money to afford a place to live, so it keeps the homeless on the street. Disability pays enough to get a place to live.
    2. Getting disability also qualifies one for home healthcare, rehabilitation, meds and other assistance.
    3. Many people are genuinely disabled, often mentally, and it is cruel to leave them on the streets where their mental heallth issues impact public safety and quality of life for all.
    4 Welfare ends at a certain time. Disability can be continued as long as the problem continues.
    4. It shifts the cost of assistance from the county to the feds.

    Those are mostly good reasons. The main disadvantage is that disability benefit rules generally discourage people from getting work. The laws should be re-examined to encourage transitioning the people capable of work into jobs. To make that work, the disabled need to be protected from problems such as losing their homes if they lose disability from taking a job and then lose their job.
    This is irrelevent.

    Why, in 4 years time have the number of people on disabillity doubled and what makes anyone think that this Country, already broke and borrowing 40 % of every dollar, can handle the cost of this growing massive entitlment ?

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    When an unacceptable number of our population has become fat and stupid, it's no mystery why so many people are on disability. Our health care system is defunct, it's cheaper to buy junk food than real food thanks to subsidies, and with unions disappearing and proposals to slash minimum wage people have to work longer hours for the privilege of remaining poor.

    You call it the gravy train, I call it the necessary outcome of a corporate slavery mentality. Just keep outsourcing the jobs and destroying worker rights, and more and more people will keep turning to the government tit.

    But yeah... keep blaming the disenfranchised for being disenfranchised. In the land of America, ignorance is strength, and slavery is freedom.

    People making excuses for their failures is the new American way. No one is responsible for anything because everything is the fault of corporations. Corporations made people alcoholic, drug addicted lazy child abusers by forcing Americans to submit the way plantation owners in the South did with their slaves.

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    Re: Unfit For Work: The Startling Rise Of Disability In America

    Its hilarious how rigid partisans on both sides of the issue are. Sucks you people get to vote

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