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US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

315 million Americans and half of them are women. THen there is the rest of the world. I dont see it either. Maybe I am old and jaded.
Mr.Nick said:
I never understood why anyone would kill over a woman/man...

There are plenty of fish in the sea.
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mak2 said:
315 million Americans and half of them are women. THen there is the rest of the world. I dont see it either. Maybe I am old and jaded.
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Well to be accurate 50.3% of the population are woman... I suppose men are a minority haha.

I suppose these obsessive psychos that murder people via Jerry Springer love triangle nonsense will find you old and jaded..
 
apdst said:
Jus imagine if someone at Fort Hood had been armed, when Nidal burst in and shot the place up. It was an armed police officer that stopped, in the end.
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You didn't address my question. If more guns make people safer, why are they not allowed to be carried by everyone on military bases?
 
For one thing, it would be a logistics nightmare. Generally military bases are safe.
Catawba said:
You didn't address my question. If more guns make people safer, why are they not allowed to be carried by everyone on military bases?
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Bori said:
has anyone blamed Obama yet? if not, some folks are losing their touch ...
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No, DEMOCRAT Harry Reid has already blamed Republicans and the sequester (which was created and proposed by Obama - but that is irrelevant and it is still Republicans fault.)
 
Catawba said:
You didn't address my question. If more guns make people safer, why are they not allowed to be carried by everyone on military bases?
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If guns are not necessary for defense, why do police carry them?
 
mak2 said:
For one thing, it would be a logistics nightmare. Generally military bases are safe.
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Yes, but aren't they generally safe because guns are not allowed to be carried except by military police?
 
No, generally military bases are safe because most military people are disciplined and well behaved, or they would be thrown out.
Catawba said:
Yes, but aren't they generally safe because guns are not allowed to be carried except by military police?
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joko104 said:
US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base - U.S. News

A Marine opened fire on two of his comrades Thursday night at a base in Quantico, Va., before turning the gun on himself, leaving all three dead, military officials said.
A relationship dispute was believed to be behind the shooting, which occurred in the staff barracks area of the Officer Candidates School at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Northern Virginia, a Marine official said.


Very sad.
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Wait, this happened on a marine base with other marines? What happened to having guns deterring people from committing crimes? Surely being one of america's most highly trained and powerful armed service people with access to firearms would have stopped this from happening as per the declarations of the NRA and the guntards? Surely this guy was shot and stopped by some courageous gun weailding soldier....Oh wait, he was shot by himself, so i guess that counts? Oh, and wouldn't this have been a legal gun owners shooting people?
 
mak2 said:
No, generally military bases are safe because most military people are disciplined and well behaved, or they would be thrown out.
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If they are disciplined and well behaved why are they not allowed to carry guns?
 
Why check arms and ammo in and out if they are not needed every day? I dont really get your point here.
Catawba said:
If they are disciplined and well behaved why are they not allowed to carry guns?
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mak2 said:
Why check arms and ammo in and out if they are not needed every day? I dont really get your point here.
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Some believe more more guns without controls make the US safer. I am trying to ascertain why the military does not feel the same about more guns without controls on military bases?
 
Because they are safe on base. Along these lines I guess I remember back in the 80s a couple of recruiting stations, Gary IN and Detroit, that I know of, the recruiters were armed.
Catawba said:
Some believe more more guns without controls make the US safer. I am trying to ascertain why the military does not feel the same about more guns without controls on military bases?
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mak2 said:
Because they are safe on base. Along these lines I guess I remember back in the 80s a couple of recruiting stations, Gary IN and Detroit, that I know of, the recruiters were armed.
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Because only military police are allowed to carry loaded guns on base.
 
I carried a firearm on base and I was not an MP. So did the guards on flightlines etc. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree on this one. It would be a PITA to issue firearms everyday for no reason.
Catawba said:
Because only military police are allowed to carry loaded guns on base.
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mak2 said:
I carried a firearm on base and I was not an MP. So did the guards on flightlines etc. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree on this one. It would be a PITA to issue firearms everyday for no reason.
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Guards and MPs, not everyone, that's my point. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, only that it disproves that more guns without controls makes people safer.
 
No it doesnt. I dont think you can generalize military bases to the genreal public.
Catawba said:
Guards and MPs, not everyone, that's my point. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, only that it disproves that more guns without controls makes people safer.
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mak2 said:
No it doesnt. I dont think you can generalize military bases to the genreal public.
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I don't follow. As you noted soldiers are more disciplined and well behaved than the general public. If you can't trust them with no controls on guns, why would anyone think you could trust US citizens at large with no control on guns?
 
Nobody said you cant trust them. The point is there is no reason to issue weapons on a safe base. I noted places I knew of first hand military personnel were issued firearms because it was not safe. You cant generalize the military to the general public.
Catawba said:
I don't follow. As you noted soldiers are more disciplined and well behaved than the general public. If you can't trust them with no controls on guns, why would anyone think you could trust US citizens at large with no control on guns?
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mak2 said:
Nobody said you cant trust them. The point is there is no reason to issue weapons on a safe base. I noted places I knew of first hand military personnel were issued firearms because it was not safe. You cant generalize the military to the general public.
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I disagree. I think the reason the base is safe is because guns are tightly controlled.
 
Gun Laws at Military Installations

"Military installations are technically “gun free” zones meaning that military and civilian personnel are prohibited from possessing weapons without special authorization. This policy includes those living on military bases who are not allowed to keep personal weapons in their domiciles. Regulation 90-114 regulates firearms on military bases and was implemented by President Clinton in 1993.

Authorization Officials


Law enforcement and security personnel are authorized to carry weapons consistent with their duties by field grade officers-- or the civilian equivalent--of GS-12 or higher. Authorization for carrying a weapon for personal protection is based on case-by-case basis. The Secretary of the Army reserves the right to authorize the carrying of weapons for personal protection within the United States. The carrying of weapons on military installations outside of United States is authorized by the base commanders.

Authorized Use


Individuals authorized to carry firearms may be involved in law enforcement or base security, including the protection of military or civilian personnel, protection of classified documents or military equipment, and guarding prisoners. Generally, authority is implied when ammunition is issued with the weapon.

Firearms Restrictions


Military or civilian personnel prohibited from carrying weapons on military bases include those who are medically disqualified, have had a security clearance revoked or denied, or those who are taking medication which may impair judgment. Additionally, anyone who has consumed alcohol within the past 8 hours is denied access to firearms."


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I am still not getting your point. How do you like the monkey smilie?
 
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