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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's about the government maintaining positive control at all times.
    Exactly, they don't want unauthorized people carrying weapons. Sound policy!
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

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    That is impossible...
    Not only was it possible, it was clinically diagnosed and prescriptions issued.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They don't do that safety bro. They do that for quick identification of Enemy Combatants. If there's an active shooter, the MPs see someone with a gun and the MPs don't already know who that is, they can shoot to kill.

    The increased safety comes from the very fact that most of the bases population is current or former military, a demographic with a lower crime rate to begin with. The average civilian does not go through any kind of right-of-passage to earn their status as an American, which means Americans have a weaker tie to each-other than do servicemen who've never met before. There is no civilian version of a spirit de corps among the masses.

    Gun control on a base is not about public safety. It's about the government maintaining positive control at all times.
    To caveat off of Jerry's excellent point, most military members are also not drug dealing losers with no HS diploma and no future. They, at the very least, have the guarantee of a paycheck twice a month, a roof over their head, and food to eat 3 times a day. Most military members value life more than your average citizens as well. They see friends around them die and know that death is merely a stray mortar, hidden IED, or bullet away for ALL of them. No matter their MOS. All of these things prevent careless taking of life by most military members.
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly, they don't want unauthorized people carrying weapons. Sound policy!
    I'm pretty good at keeping my eye on the ball, I can't be distracted like that. Troll smarter, not harder.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    To caveat off of Jerry's excellent point, most military members are also not drug dealing losers with no HS diploma and no future. They, at the very least, have the guarantee of a paycheck twice a month, a roof over their head, and food to eat 3 times a day. Most military members value life more than your average citizens as well. They see friends around them die and know that death is merely a stray mortar, hidden IED, or bullet away for ALL of them. No matter their MOS. All of these things prevent careless taking of life by most military members.
    Yes, even though soldiers are more disciplined and well behaved they still don't let them carry guns around without special authorization. So why would we just let anyone have guns outside of military installations?
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the statement I quoted was not fact, you would be correct.
    the statement you quoted does not establish what you have been claiming though

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061615585

    and what you are claiming is hardly established fact.

    Pretty simple stuff

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the statement you quoted does not establish what you have been claiming though

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061615585

    and what you are claiming is hardly established fact.

    Pretty simple stuff
    I stand by this - "military and civilian personnel are prohibited from possessing weapons without special authorization." I think that is sound government policy!
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I stand by this - "military and civilian personnel are prohibited from possessing weapons without special authorization." I think that is sound government policy!
    inB4 someone quotes the 2A as 'special authorization'

    This weekend my 9 y/o was talking about lego police and whatnot...he's under the firm belief that bad guys have to do what good guys say because of, his words, 'bad-guy law'. He explained to me that if someone brakes the 'good guy law', by robbing a bank for example, he has to do what the good guys say because that's the 'bad-guy law'.

    I asked him "what happens if the good guys do bad things"...he says "that's impossible, they're good guys, they have to follow good-guy law".

    I think of him when I read anti-gunners posts because you both have an extremely immature view of how the world works.
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    inB4 someone quotes the 2A as 'special authorization'
    The military does not consider that adequate authorization.

    This weekend my 9 y/o was talking about lego police and whatnot...he's under the firm belief that bad guys have to do what good guys say because of, his words, 'bad-guy law'. He explained to me that if someone brakes the 'good guy law', by robbing a bank for example, he has to do what the good guys say because that's the 'bad-guy law'.

    I asked him "what happens if the good guys do bad things"...he says "that's impossible, they're good guys, they have to follow good-guy law".

    I think of him when I read anti-gunners posts because you both have an extremely immature view of how the world works.
    Are you trying to say you don't trust those on military bases who are authorized to carry weapons?
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you trying to say you don't trust those on military bases who are authorized to carry weapons?
    I trust the government to do everything it can to attain infinite control.

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