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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Military policy - "military and civilian personnel are prohibited from possessing weapons without special authorization."

    That's a fact, jack!
    That's exactly how it is. If you even just have commissary privs and head to the base to get a deal on a gun, you have to have a memo just to leave the base immediately with that gun.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the gun restrictions didn't make the bases safer, they wouldn't have them, Chuckles.
    Bases also don't have private property. All property is base property. Your employer doesn't actually own you the way the military does.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the gun restrictions didn't make the bases safer, they wouldn't have them, Chuckles.
    that's rather begging the question

    begs the question

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly how it is. If you even just have commissary privs and head to the base to get a deal on a gun, you have to have a memo just to leave the base immediately with that gun.
    Yep, makes sense to me.
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Bases also don't have private property. All property is base property. Your employer doesn't actually own you the way the military does.
    I was speaking of the value of government gun control to the safety of military installations.
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yea, but you have to have special authorization to get your car on base too. You aint been around the military much, have you?
    If you live on base?

    I don't live on base and they just let me in...They scan my CAC wave me on through. I've never had to have special permission for my car.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not true. My fish had a fear of being left in the tank alone.
    That is impossible...

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that's rather begging the question

    begs the question

    If the statement I quoted was not fact, you would be correct.
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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was speaking of the value of government gun control to the safety of military installations.
    Gun control on a base is not about public safety. It's about the government maintaining positive control at all times. If there's an active shooter, the MPs see someone with a gun and the MPs don't already know who that is, they can shoot to kill.

    The increased safety comes from the very fact that most of the bases population is current or former military, a demographic with a lower crime rate to begin with. The average civilian does not go through any kind of right-of-passage to earn their status as an American, which means Americans have a weaker tie to each-other than do servicemen who've never met before. There is no civilian version of a spirit de corps among the masses.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-26-13 at 07:37 PM.

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    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Wait, this happened on a marine base with other marines? What happened to having guns deterring people from committing crimes? Surely being one of america's most highly trained and powerful armed service people with access to firearms would have stopped this from happening as per the declarations of the NRA and the guntards? Surely this guy was shot and stopped by some courageous gun weailding soldier....Oh wait, he was shot by himself, so i guess that counts? Oh, and wouldn't this have been a legal gun owners shooting people?
    Wow, you are very misinformed. Military bases have probably the tightest gun restrictions of anywhere. If you own a gun on a military base, and live in the barracks, it is required to be kept in the armory at all times. The barracks are subject to random inspections by the leadership of the servicemembers command that would turn up any firearm not registered. If you would like to draw your weapon for use, you have to pre-arrange drawing it and turning it in. If you live in base housing, you must register it (no matter the type of gun) with the base Military Police. These restrictions are tougher than anywhere you will find. Nowhere else are people required to keep THEIR firearms in an armory or register EVERY firearm they own with Law Enforcement authorities. Yet, shootings still occur. This proves the point that no matter what we do, gun violence will happen when and where sicko's want it to. The least we can do is allow other, sane citizens the ability to defend themselves.
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