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US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

HE just got orders to another unit. Still on 29 Palms. He is not real happy.

Yup, I can imagine.

:lol: we had a guy out here who we wanted to extend, but he was having none of it. We offered him his choice of schools, a free flight home with leave, etc..... nope; he wanted off-island. So he went back and got assigned to an infantry unit. Which promptly got put on a UDP. :mrgreen: he was back on Okinawa so fast his car didn't even get sold.
 
I think you are wrong. When you are active duty, they own you 24/7.

I KNOW you're wrong, unless of course, you can show me anywhere in DOD, DAF, DA, Nav-Mac regulations, or the UCMJ where private residences, off post, are subject to the UCMJ, or any other regulation governing our armed forces.

I so look forward to your evidence.
 
Military personnell fall under the purview of the UCMJ and not the constitution.

Also, service members are definitely protected by the Constition, even their 2nd Amendment rights.
 
I am confused. If you are in the military you are under the UCMJ all the time. If you are off base the off base area is not UCMJ, but the military member is. Out in town it might not be against the law to wear your underware on the outside of your dress uniform, but a Marine would still be in deep dodo it caught at it.
I KNOW you're wrong, unless of course, you can show me anywhere in DOD, DAF, DA, Nav-Mac regulations, or the UCMJ where private residences, off post, are subject to the UCMJ, or any other regulation governing our armed forces.

I so look forward to your evidence.
 
I KNOW you're wrong, unless of course, you can show me anywhere in DOD, DAF, DA, Nav-Mac regulations, or the UCMJ where private residences, off post, are subject to the UCMJ, or any other regulation governing our armed forces.

I so look forward to your evidence.

What about when they are at off base military housing?
 
Also, service members are definitely protected by the Constition, even their 2nd Amendment rights.

Oh yeah, then how can they then get court martialed for dissing the potus?
 
I am confused. If you are in the military you are under the UCMJ all the time. If you are off base the off base area is not UCMJ, but the military member is. Out in town it might not be against the law to wear your underware on the outside of your dress uniform, but a Marine would still be in deep dodo it caught at it.

I specifically mentioned private quaters, off post. Never mentioned anything about service members not being subject to the UCMJ, at all times.


Originally Posted by apdst
I KNOW you're wrong, unless of course, you can show me anywhere in DOD, DAF, DA, Nav-Mac regulations, or the UCMJ where private residences, off post, are subject to the UCMJ, or any other regulation governing our armed forces.

I so look forward to your evidence.
 
If you are in the military, you are subject to the UCMJ at all times.

That's right. I used to do all of the battalions court martials in the army and I am a trained expert on the ucmj.
 
Oh yeah, then how can they then get court martialed for dissing the potus?

Because it is considered insubordination and misconduct to publicly criticise a member of the chain of command.
 
That's right. I used to do all of the battalions court martials in the army and I am a trained expert on the ucmj.

Obviously not, if you think that a soldier's off post quarters fall under the UCMJ. If you worked with the JAG, you know damn good and well that MP's can't enter off post quarters. Only civilian law enforcement can and they must have a warrant.
 
What about when they are at off base military housing?

We're not duscussing individual soldiers, but rather their private, off post quarters.

Never heard a soldier refer to an Army installation as a "base", either, but whatever.
 
Because it is considered insubordination and misconduct to publicly criticise a member of the chain of command.

You admit that they do not have the constitutional right to free speech.

Show me in the ucmj where they have ANY constitutional rights.

Uniform Code of Military Justice - UCMJ CHAPTER 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
 
I am sorry if I walked in the middle of something. But I spent a lot of time with the old UCMJ myself. What exactly are we talking about?
You admit that they do not have the constitutional right to free speech.

Show me in the ucmj where they have ANY constitutional rights.

Uniform Code of Military Justice - UCMJ CHAPTER 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
 
I am sorry if I walked in the middle of something. But I spent a lot of time with the old UCMJ myself. What exactly are we talking about?

Mainly if military personnell are directed, as related to rights, by the constitution or the ucmj.
 
UCMJ, but I might add a military member still has to abide by the laws of the land too.
Mainly if military personnel are directed, as related to rights, by the constitution or the ucmj.
 
Great sources. They are almost as good as the ones who say we don't have to pay income taxes.:roll:

I wondered where all the draft dodgers went.

Uh yeah! DOD directives are great sources.
 
so is the UCMJ.

Except, no where in the UCMJ does it say that soldiers don't have any constitutional rights. Quite the opposite, actually, because the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are echoed within the UCMJ.
 
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