Page 11 of 18 FirstFirst ... 910111213 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 172

Thread: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

  1. #101
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Commander in Chief is the head of the military.
    Being the president doesn't grant someone a vast history of military experience or even a level of expertise on the matter. So I am unsure what we are suppose to take away from the fact he was elected commander in chief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And if it would make things safer for everyone to carry, why didn't they drop the gun control when there was a new Commander in Chief?
    I'm sure our military and government do, and carry on doing, many things you think are ill informed and dumb. In fact, one has to wonder about anyone that would assert some level of infallibility to either party's actions

  2. #102
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Are you, of all people, really astonished that the military leadership could make a poor decision?
    You have not shown it is a poor decision, nor have I heard any protest of the policy from base commanders. Got a link that shows that? I didn't think so.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  3. #103
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    No, evidently you don't understand the point (surprise surprise). The point is that military installations are:

    A) Safer due to the people, not the lack of guns. We don't have losers with 10 kid by 10 different women dealing drugs and having turf wars on military bases. That's the point Jerry and I are making. If you want to solve gun violence there is only one answer to it. Let's all have a utopian, medicated society that loses all need to be individuals.

    B) A military base is a protected area due to the very nature of what it is. It's a friggin military base. There are national security implications far beyond your scope. You see this as a social issue. It ceases to be a social issue aboard a military base. It is now an issue of national security more than social.

    C) Speaking of guns on military bases. You can go aboard MCB Camp Lejeune right now and I guarantee you will see hundreds, yes hundreds, of Marines carrying their issued M16A4 or M4 carbine around like it is a back pack. 5.56mm ammo is very easily accessible to all of us as well. I could go to the rifle range and simply keep all of my rounds if I wanted to. I could hide them in my pack and leave the range with them. Then, I could wait until the next time I go to the field to train, put them in a mag, and go to town. But, I don't and neither do any other Marines. Why? Because it's against our nature to inflict pain upon those we care about and are to protect. Once again, it's people that make a difference, not the guns.


    I see, gun control is not important unless you don't want people walking around with guns without authorization even on military bases with select people. Makes sense to me!
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  4. #104
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Being the president doesn't grant someone a vast history of military experience or even a level of expertise on the matter. So I am unsure what we are suppose to take away from the fact he was elected commander in chief.
    Let's not forget the military has always been under civilian command. If you think gun control on military bases is not wanted by the base commanders, please provide a link to their protests since the policy was adopted in the 90s?
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  5. #105
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's not forget the military has always been under civilian command.
    Which has absolutely no bearing on what I just wrote

    If you think gun control on military bases is not wanted by the base commanders, please provide a link to their protests since the policy was adopted in the 90s?
    1) I'm not making a claim about what base commanders want. I am addressing your claims and the shoddy reasoning you are using to support them

    2) commanders supporting the measure, or not, would not speak to them supporting it for safety implications or having a positive effect on safety
    Last edited by Dr. Chuckles; 03-27-13 at 03:30 PM.

  6. #106
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not shown it is a poor decision, nor have I heard any protest of the policy from base commanders. Got a link that shows that? I didn't think so.
    He was highlighting the fact that your premise rested on the idea that militery leadership was infallable.

    Also, its rather laughable that you are so inept at debate that your response to the above is to ask for proof. FYI: you're the one making claims here and the burden of proof rests with you

  7. #107
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    He was highlighting the fact that your premise rested on the idea that militery leadership was infallable.

    Also, its rather laughable that you are so inept at debate that your response to the above is to ask for proof. FYI: you're the one making claims here and the burden of proof rests with you

    I think the military is to be commended for only allowing those with authorization to carry weapons. Its a very sound gun control policy!
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  8. #108
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the military is to be commended for only allowing those with authorization to carry weapons. Its a very sound gun control policy!
    ...right, we get that. But you keep making claims beyond that, as well. Then asserting they are true based on various appeals to authority, tradition, etc

  9. #109
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    ...right, we get that. But you keep making claims beyond that, as well. Then asserting they are true based on various appeals to authority, tradition, etc
    The military's gun control policy sets an excellent example for the rest of the country. That is my only point!
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  10. #110
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: US Marine kills two colleagues at Quantico base

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The military's gun control policy sets an excellent example for the rest of the country. That is my only point!
    No you clearly have been making claims well beyond that

Page 11 of 18 FirstFirst ... 910111213 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •