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Guantanamo hunger strike growing

Mr.Nick said:
You're right... Many of the Japanese locked away via FDR were American citizens - which was explicitly tyrannical. As far as Obamy - that clown would label me a terrorist for being a staunch libertarian...

Of course it is democrats who do and have done that nonsense....
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You may have a point. You fail to address the fact that ALL those JapaneseAmericans' neighbors were just waiting to loot/steal their property once they were safely "tucked away".....................
 
Bonzai said:
You may have a point. You fail to address the fact that ALL those JapaneseAmericans' neighbors were just waiting to loot/steal their property once they were safely "tucked away".....................
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You mean the allegedly benevolent US government?

You know those nice democrats who claim they do what they do for your own good and "safety?"
 
Mr.Nick said:
You mean the allegedly benevolent US government?
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No. I mean their actual next door neighbors, who waited until they were taken away to descend like vultures on their possessions..................
 
Bonzai said:
No. I mean their actual next door neighbors, who waited until they were taken away to descend like vultures on their possessions..................
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First, what evidence do you have to even suggest that even happened. Secondly - the only time such nonsense even occurred was during the LA Riots where black's were destroying not only Japanese stores but any Asian store and stealing their ****...

That was the only time I have heard of or seen people steal from Japanese or Asians in the mass...
 
So they think that if Guantanamo closes, we'll just magically send them home, and not the more likely scenario that they'll secretly be transported to a facility that's even worse than that little **** hole in Cuba? I'm surprised the CIA hasn't torn their sense of hope away yet. They are in the business of breaking mens bodies and souls, afterall.
 
Mr.Nick said:
First, what evidence do you have to even suggest that even happened. Secondly - the only time such nonsense even occurred was during the LA Riots where black's were destroying not only Japanese stores but any Asian store and stealing their ****...

That was the only time I have heard of or seen people steal from Japanese or Asians in the mass...
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What do YOU think happened to their unoccupied homes and businesses while they were "away" ?................
 
Good thing "Ron Jeremy's stunt double" Khalid Sheikh Mohammed afforded those killed on 9/11/ 2001 the courtesy of a "fair trial". I hope he and his butt buddies at Club Gitmo suffers a slow painful death. Any chance bacon grease gets in the I.V?
 
Bonzai said:
What do YOU think happened to their unoccupied homes and businesses while they were "away" ?................
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The US government seized them, stole their assets and told them to "piss off" once they were finally released (some even as late as 1950)...

Sorry, back then people generally didn't steal... Stealing now is justifiable with massive excuses but back then - it was viewed as savagery. Your progressive change certainly did a lot.
 
ecofarm said:
Not a person, specific people. Dropping context makes it far more sinister than it really is.
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But if you allow a small group of individuals with no accountability to decide which specific people to detain and torture indefinitely then you open the door to the wrong people being targeted, either through malice or simply through ****ing up. Given the multiple examples of the former that we have seem in the past few years I would have thought that the fact that the C.I.A has, by its own admission, detained and tortured innocent people I would have hoped that what has already happened would have been enough for those in the U.S to rethink its policy. Given that this is not the case perhaps we should consider the potential for the targeting of political figures that these people disapprove of (Or even those they simply have a grudge against) . This isn't a stretch considering the close relationship they enjoyed with the Syrian and Egyptian intelligence agencies and set ups like Operation Condor which still have Henry Kissinger wanted in several countries for collaboration in political repression. This needent be an altruistic concern now that American citizens are aparently no longer of limits.
 
Grant said:
I doubt you ever thought that in your life.
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sorry what? You will have to explain yourself here as I'm not following your standard grant ranting's.
 
Red_Dave said:
But if you allow a small group of individuals with no accountability to decide which specific people to detain and torture indefinitely then you open the door to the wrong people being targeted, either through malice or simply through ****ing up.
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I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.
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If that was the case then you would not be ok with Guantanamo, your posts suggest otherwise
 
Red_Dave said:
If that was the case then you would not be ok with Guantanamo, your posts suggest otherwise
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I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.
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Forget torture - microchip them and let them go. You better believe they will go back to their piss-hole terror cells and give us way more intelligence via location than any surveillance ever would.

I'd chip them in their heart or liver just so they couldn't pull the damn thing out if they even suspected they were chipped.

That's how you take care of this terrorist nonsense..
 
ecofarm said:
I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.
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And many others, not to mention the fact that many (For example Mozzam Begg) where sent to prisons in Egypt and Syria before being sent to Guantanamo. This has to be seen in broader context of the rendition program as a whole (for example ghost prisons in Eastern Europe etc.)
 
Hunger strikes or inflicted starvation? *shrugs* The world may never know.

Not saying America = NAZI state but nazi secret police used camps to starve people then shifted them to other camps saying they were "sick". Seeing as all this crap is secret how do we know this isnt going on under America's wings also? Shut the prisons down.
 
ecofarm said:
I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.
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I hate when idiots try to say waterboarding isn't torture because they seen some guy pour a pitcher of water over some dudes face on the news. They haven't seen the 4 inch diameter piping they stick people under. That much water-flow is enough to kill a human.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I hate when idiots try to say waterboarding isn't torture because they seen some guy pour a pitcher of water over some dudes face on the news. They haven't seen the 4 inch diameter piping they stick people under. That much water-flow is enough to kill a human.
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In the spectrum of torture, it's certainly the most mild thing on the list. It's not cutting people's fingers and such off. I hate when idiots make the false equivalence of 3 waterboards in a ticking timb bomb scenario and the widespread much more terrible torture engaged in by the likes of Saddam and other dictators.
 
Red_Dave said:
And many others, not to mention the fact that many (For example Mozzam Begg) where sent to prisons in Egypt and Syria before being sent to Guantanamo. This has to be seen in broader context of the rendition program as a whole (for example ghost prisons in Eastern Europe etc.)
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That doesn't make Gitmo "torture." What you're really saying is that taking someone out of a potentially inhumane situation (Eqypt, whatever) and putting them in a much more humane situation is somehow "torture" or at least equivalent to the inhumane prison conditions.

As for the hunger strikers, it's their choice; let them do whatever they wish. If that includes starving themselves to death, it's their own call.
 
Harshaw said:
That doesn't make Gitmo "torture." What you're really saying is that taking someone out of a potentially inhumane situation (Eqypt, whatever) and putting them in a much more humane situation is somehow "torture" or at least equivalent to the inhumane prison conditions.

As for the hunger strikers, it's their choice; let them do whatever they wish. If that includes starving themselves to death, it's their own call.
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That is not acceptable. It would be too easy for a secret prison with no public oversight to start murdering prisoners via starvation and blaming it on "their own rebelliousness". The place needs to be opened up to inspection by the public and they need to be fed.
 
Harshaw said:
That doesn't make Gitmo "torture." What you're really saying is that taking someone out of a potentially inhumane situation (Eqypt, whatever) and putting them in a much more humane situation is somehow "torture" or at least equivalent to the inhumane prison conditions.

As for the hunger strikers, it's their choice; let them do whatever they wish. If that includes starving themselves to death, it's their own call.
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These people are being held indefinitely with no trial. How is that humane?
 
who cares, let them eat **** and drink piss
 
dirtpoorchris said:
That is not acceptable. It would be too easy for a secret prison with no public oversight to start murdering prisoners via starvation and blaming it on "their own rebelliousness". The place needs to be opened up to inspection by the public and they need to be fed.
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That's just paranoid delusion. There have been many "inspections" and "investigations" of the conditions at Gitmo. There is no "murdering" going on there.
 
calamity said:
These people are being held indefinitely with no trial. How is that humane?
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It's much more humane than the scary "ghost" prison, and it sure as hell isn't "torture."
 
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