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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

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    I doubt you ever thought that in your life.
    sorry what? You will have to explain yourself here as I'm not following your standard grant ranting's.
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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    But if you allow a small group of individuals with no accountability to decide which specific people to detain and torture indefinitely then you open the door to the wrong people being targeted, either through malice or simply through ****ing up.
    I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.
    If that was the case then you would not be ok with Guantanamo, your posts suggest otherwise

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    If that was the case then you would not be ok with Guantanamo, your posts suggest otherwise
    I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not ok with torturing anyone, except in a ticking time bomb scenario for critical and verifiable information.
    Forget torture - microchip them and let them go. You better believe they will go back to their piss-hole terror cells and give us way more intelligence via location than any surveillance ever would.

    I'd chip them in their heart or liver just so they couldn't pull the damn thing out if they even suspected they were chipped.

    That's how you take care of this terrorist nonsense..

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.
    And many others, not to mention the fact that many (For example Mozzam Begg) where sent to prisons in Egypt and Syria before being sent to Guantanamo. This has to be seen in broader context of the rendition program as a whole (for example ghost prisons in Eastern Europe etc.)

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Hunger strikes or inflicted starvation? *shrugs* The world may never know.

    Not saying America = NAZI state but nazi secret police used camps to starve people then shifted them to other camps saying they were "sick". Seeing as all this crap is secret how do we know this isnt going on under America's wings also? Shut the prisons down.
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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I consider waterboarding to be pretty much torture, but that was done to the top 3 terrorists in custody immediately following 9/11, which (to me) constitutes a ticking time bomb scenario. I don't consider prison conditions in the US itself (Gitmo is better) to be torture.
    I hate when idiots try to say waterboarding isn't torture because they seen some guy pour a pitcher of water over some dudes face on the news. They haven't seen the 4 inch diameter piping they stick people under. That much water-flow is enough to kill a human.
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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I hate when idiots try to say waterboarding isn't torture because they seen some guy pour a pitcher of water over some dudes face on the news. They haven't seen the 4 inch diameter piping they stick people under. That much water-flow is enough to kill a human.
    In the spectrum of torture, it's certainly the most mild thing on the list. It's not cutting people's fingers and such off. I hate when idiots make the false equivalence of 3 waterboards in a ticking timb bomb scenario and the widespread much more terrible torture engaged in by the likes of Saddam and other dictators.

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    Re: Guantanamo hunger strike growing

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    And many others, not to mention the fact that many (For example Mozzam Begg) where sent to prisons in Egypt and Syria before being sent to Guantanamo. This has to be seen in broader context of the rendition program as a whole (for example ghost prisons in Eastern Europe etc.)
    That doesn't make Gitmo "torture." What you're really saying is that taking someone out of a potentially inhumane situation (Eqypt, whatever) and putting them in a much more humane situation is somehow "torture" or at least equivalent to the inhumane prison conditions.

    As for the hunger strikers, it's their choice; let them do whatever they wish. If that includes starving themselves to death, it's their own call.
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