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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And now for the rest of the day I'l have the cock meat sandwich scene from Harold and Kumar Go To Guantanamo Bay stuck in my head.
    Better yet, Lane will never have to worry about constipation ever again.
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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    It shouldn't cost anything close to what it does. The system is extremely wasteful. It should take about 5 minutes and $0 to strap him to a guillotine and pull the cord.
    The actual killing of the person is not expensive, it is the trials, appeals, and incarceration of people ON TRIAL, and the maintenance of entire death row prison element.

    Theoretically, in this case, and many others, I would be in full support of the death penalty, but realistically, my support would come down to making it impossible for an innocent to be handed this sentence, a degree of perfection I do not believe we can get to.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Why not just tie him up in the city center and have citizens just stone him to death?

    I mean seriously, in clear cut cases like this, what's wrong with that? In a society that already has sex, movies, and video games as graphic as can be, and available on-demand and to all ages, would stoning someone to death in full public view really be that disquieting?


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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm sorry Peter, but if you're actually Innocent then there is very little chance of you being convicted. Now, people being Not Guilty of the crime they were charged with is a different topic. Personally, I'm willing to see any number of not guilty individuals executed to ensure that we get all the guiilty ones executed as well. Individuals like this piece of trash do not deserve to continue breathing.

    Thankfully, real trash like this guy tend to get taken out by their fellow inmates a good deal of the time.
    A finding of not guilty is the ONLY finding a defendant can recieve,, there is no such finding as "innocent", so I am confused as to what distinction you are making here.

    Are you suggesting that all people found guilty are guilty, and some of the people found not guilty are guilty, but none of the people found guilty are innocent?

    Or are you suggesting that all people found guilty are guilty of "something", therefore it's okay to fry a few of them to make sure we kill the actually guilty one's?

    If a person is not guilty of the crime they were tried for, they should not be subjected sentencing for that crime, but we have an imperfect system, so that is going to happen from time to time. Where my problem lies is that with death penalty cases, there is no possibility of correcting the mistake.

    As I have said, I support the death penalty in theory, I support killing killers, in theory, but my opposition to killing people who did not commit capital crimes is greater than my support for killing those guilty of capital crimes. It is unnecessary, it is not a deterrant, it does not preclude punishment for the guilty, it simply allows for the impefection of the justice system and creates the possibility of correcting mistakes that do not exist when a person is killed.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    A finding of not guilty is the ONLY finding a defendant can recieve,, there is no such finding as "innocent", so I am confused as to what distinction you are making here.
    Peter used the word Innocent, which is not the same as Not Guilty. Innocent is not, as you note, a legal finding. Innocent means having no guilt whatsoever. Not Guilty means not having been found guilty of the crime they are accused of.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Are you suggesting that all people found guilty are guilty, and some of the people found not guilty are guilty, but none of the people found guilty are innocent?
    I am suggesting that all people found guilty are at least guilty of Gross Stupidity for allowing themselves to be in such a situation in the first place. If you are so utterly incompetent as to not be able to provide reasonable evidence to prove you are Not Guilty, then you probably are Guilty of something.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Or are you suggesting that all people found guilty are guilty of "something", therefore it's okay to fry a few of them to make sure we kill the actually guilty one's?
    YES.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    If a person is not guilty of the crime they were tried for, they should not be subjected sentencing for that crime, but we have an imperfect system, so that is going to happen from time to time. Where my problem lies is that with death penalty cases, there is no possibility of correcting the mistake.
    That's very true. That has to be weighed against the substantial cost of incarcerating these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen for decades JUST IN CASE additional evidence presents itself. Sorry but I do not believe that expenditure is warranted.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    As I have said, I support the death penalty in theory, I support killing killers, in theory, but my opposition to killing people who did not commit capital crimes is greater than my support for killing those guilty of capital crimes. It is unnecessary, it is not a deterrant, it does not preclude punishment for the guilty, it simply allows for the impefection of the justice system and creates the possibility of correcting mistakes that do not exist when a person is killed.
    It's not a deterent? Please show me a single executed criminal who has ever committed another crime after they were put to death.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, I'm curious to see him in 10-20 years. I don't know if he'll have any regret and sympathy, but I suspect he'll have a different perspective on the meaning of his actions.

    He might be become a hardened inmate and never show any regret but his perspective will most likely change. Another thing is he tries to not look scared and act tough but he's definitely nervous.
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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm sorry Peter, but if you're actually Innocent then there is very little chance of you being convicted. Now, people being Not Guilty of the crime they were charged with is a different topic. Personally, I'm willing to see any number of not guilty individuals executed to ensure that we get all the guiilty ones executed as well. Individuals like this piece of trash do not deserve to continue breathing.

    Thankfully, real trash like this guy tend to get taken out by their fellow inmates a good deal of the time.
    You see, that is the problem with Conservatives. Normal people would say that it would be better to not put people to death but keep them alive by giving them a life sentence rather than risking just 1 innocent person of getting executed. The need for punishment or the arrogant opinion that we as human being have the right to find other people guilty AND then put to death. Yes, we have the right to find people guilty of a crime but we do not have the right to put people to death, that is my moral opinion but also an opinion because of the risk of being killed innocently.

    And you actually think there is a very little chance of being convicted?

    Northwestern University School of Law's Centre on Wrongful Convictions (CWC) documented 38 executions carried out since the mid-1970s where there was compelling evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt.

    More than 140 people have been exonerated from death row. That is not a very little chance of being convicted.
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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If done right, it would be. I can understand appeals for some cases where "guilt" or "intent" may be in question. However, in this instance, guilt is known, accepted, and in this punk's case he even mocks at it. Kill the ****ing punk.
    No, because even the trial section costs much much more than non capital cases. Factor in the costs of housing them, appeals (it is their right if they think they should not have been convicted to death) and all the other issues and you will find that most likely it will be more expensive.
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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You see, that is the problem with Conservatives. Normal people would say that it would be better to not put people to death but keep them alive by giving them a life sentence rather than risking just 1 innocent person of getting executed. The need for punishment or the arrogant opinion that we as human being have the right to find other people guilty AND then put to death. Yes, we have the right to find people guilty of a crime but we do not have the right to put people to death, that is my moral opinion but also an opinion because of the risk of being killed innocently.
    Sorry, but considering the amount of money these states steal from their citizens to keep these wastes of flesh and oxygen in prison for extended periods of time already, I have no use for keeping them there any longer. Give them one appeal, then go to the SCOTUS if necessary. 24 hours after their appeals are turned down execute them. It's that simple. You also have to remember that I have exceptionally little regard for human life; which I find to be slightly less worthwhile than most single-celled organisms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You And you actually think there is a very little chance of being convicted? Northwestern University School of Law's Centre on Wrongful Convictions (CWC) documented 38 executions carried out since the mid-1970s where there was compelling evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt.

    More than 140 people have been exonerated from death row. That is not a very little chance of being convicted.
    I said that I believe there is very little chance of a truly innocent person being convicted. Especially in this day and age. They may not be guilty of what they're charged with, but I find it very hard to believe that most of those people were truly innocent individuals who were plucked off the street for no reason. How many of those 140 people had NEVER been involved with the law before they were arrested for the crime they were wrongly convicted of? I'd suggest that number is less than two.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Why not just tie him up in the city center and have citizens just stone him to death?

    I mean seriously, in clear cut cases like this, what's wrong with that? In a society that already has sex, movies, and video games as graphic as can be, and available on-demand and to all ages, would stoning someone to death in full public view really be that disquieting?


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