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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

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    Which is why I believe these things need to be streamlined.... Expedite the trial, give them one standard appeal (within 60 days of the original verdict), one chance to appeal to the SCOTUS, and once the appeals are exhausted give them 24 hours to prepare themselves to be executed.
    The problem with this is that expense of capital cases is in part driven by the effort (occasionally failed) to insure only the guilty are subjected to a sentence with this finality. Streamlining the process would erase much of this protection, increasing the likelihood of killing people are not guilty of the crimes they are charged with.

    I really cannot make it plainer, that while I have no moral opposition to killing killers, my opposition to killing people who are not guilty is greater, therefore I have to oppose the death penalty.

    You have made it plain as well that killing people who have not committed the crimes they are charged with is an acceptable collateral damage.

    I guess there is not much else to talk about.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

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    I guess there is not much else to talk about.
    Probably not. Then again I'm for loosening the reins on the LEOs and DAs pretty much across the board; so this shouldn't surprise too many people.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

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    Probably not. Then again I'm for loosening the reins on the LEOs and DAs pretty much across the board; so this shouldn't surprise too many people.
    I tend to favor less authoritarian policies. Those "reins" protect our rights and prevent us from becoming more of a police state.

    Authoritiarians tend to have positions that suggest that people who are not doing anything wrong have nothing to fear from police with expanded authority to violate the rights of "suspects". My opinion is that power will be abused.

    Power corrupts.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

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    I tend to favor less authoritarian policies. Those "reins" protect our rights and prevent us from becoming more of a police state.

    Authoritiarians tend to have positions that suggest that people who are not doing anything wrong have nothing to fear from police with expanded authority to violate the rights of "suspects". My opinion is that power will be abused.

    Power corrupts.
    AS an Authoritarian, that is exactly one of my points.... If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. As for the abuse of the system by the authorities.... let's just call it evening the slate for all the abuses of the system that the criminals have been getting away with for the past 50 years or so.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    AS an Authoritarian, that is exactly one of my points.... If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. As for the abuse of the system by the authorities.... let's just call it evening the slate for all the abuses of the system that the criminals have been getting away with for the past 50 years or so.
    Yet you're furious about the state infringing on your right to keep and bear arms.

    You are the most inconsistent authoritarian I know.

    You'd be the first one shot if you had the kind of government you wanted.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    AS an Authoritarian, that is exactly one of my points.... If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. As for the abuse of the system by the authorities.... let's just call it evening the slate for all the abuses of the system that the criminals have been getting away with for the past 50 years or so.
    Wow, I don't think I have ever met someone who actually calls themselves an authoritarian.

    The central component of the authoritarian is that the authorities know best and should be allowed to act with impunity for our best interests. I'm sorry, but this is completely contrary to the notion of liberty and inalienable rights. Our society DOES implicitly allow more crime to happen than it would if it were an authoritarian state, but that is precisely the point, that the abdication of liberty is not worth the improvement of prosecution.

    Do you really want our society to function in an environment where an accusation or suspicion is enough to strip one of their rights?

    Do you really think that you are above being accused or suspected of something in a system where this can be done?

    The violation of one's rights is often a crime (taking life, liberty, or property) I'd rather risk being the victim of a crime than give the government the authority to commit the crime of violating the rights of anyone.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Wow, I don't think I have ever met someone who actually calls themselves an authoritarian.

    The central component of the authoritarian is that the authorities know best and should be allowed to act with impunity for our best interests. I'm sorry, but this is completely contrary to the notion of liberty and inalienable rights. Our society DOES implicitly allow more crime to happen than it would if it were an authoritarian state, but that is precisely the point, that the abdication of liberty is not worth the improvement of prosecution.

    Do you really want our society to function in an environment where an accusation or suspicion is enough to strip one of their rights?

    Do you really think that you are above being accused or suspected of something in a system where this can be done?

    The violation of one's rights is often a crime (taking life, liberty, or property) I'd rather risk being the victim of a crime than give the government the authority to commit the crime of violating the rights of anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yet you're furious about the state infringing on your right to keep and bear arms.*




    You are the most inconsistent authoritarian I know.*




    You'd be the first one shot if you had the kind of government you wanted.

    Tigger's not a real authoritarian. He hates having anybody tell him what to do. He only fancies the idea if he's the one in charge.
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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Wow, I don't think I have ever met someone who actually calls themselves an authoritarian.

    The central component of the authoritarian is that the authorities know best and should be allowed to act with impunity for our best interests. I'm sorry, but this is completely contrary to the notion of liberty and inalienable rights. Our society DOES implicitly allow more crime to happen than it would if it were an authoritarian state, but that is precisely the point, that the abdication of liberty is not worth the improvement of prosecution.
    My vision is a society based on Privileges, not Rights. Where the ability to do things, and even Citizenship are based on one's ability to maintain a proper and decent lifestyle. Those who cannot maintain that would lose these Privileges. It's a concept where people are required to put something INTO the system before they are allowed to get anything OUT of the system. Basic common sense so far as I'm concerned. A system where Law and Order are the most important things.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Do you really want our society to function in an environment where an accusation or suspicion is enough to strip one of their rights?

    Do you really think that you are above being accused or suspected of something in a system where this can be done?

    The violation of one's rights is often a crime (taking life, liberty, or property) I'd rather risk being the victim of a crime than give the government the authority to commit the crime of violating the rights of anyone.
    I want a society where people are afraid to commit crimes and even moreso to get caught doing so.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Tigger's not a real authoritarian. He hates having anybody tell him what to do. He only fancies the idea if he's the one in charge.
    Well heck, if that's the threshold, I guess I am an authoritarian too. If I made the rules, I would be a wonderful benevolent dictator, and I would be so magnanimous that I would probably kill you painlessly if you disagreed.

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    Re: T.J. Lane Life Sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    My vision is a society based on Privileges, not Rights. Where the ability to do things, and even Citizenship are based on one's ability to maintain a proper and decent lifestyle. Those who cannot maintain that would lose these Privileges. It's a concept where people are required to put something INTO the system before they are allowed to get anything OUT of the system. Basic common sense so far as I'm concerned. A system where Law and Order are the most important things.



    I want a society where people are afraid to commit crimes and even moreso to get caught doing so.
    I think I understand. You will eliminate ALL rights which exist with protection FROM government and replace them with priveledges granted by government.

    There have been societies like that. You should look into them.

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