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Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

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The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday, as conservative tea party icon and possible 2016 presidential contender Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status.
“Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. That’s why I’m here today. To begin, that conversation and become part of the solution,” he said in a breakfast speech Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.
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Read more @: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status - The Washington Post

What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status - The Washington Post

What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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It's not a big surprise that a self-professed libertarian goes out of closet on this one. And most tea parties have been studiously neutral on the topic (famously refusing to endorse J.D.Hayworth against McCain in Arizona, despite being extremely frustrated with numerous McCain's positions on other issues).

Are the libertarians and moderates gathering forces to make a serious bid at controlling the GOP? It looks like they are. Are they likely to win? I wouldn't hold my breath, but stranger things happened.
 
Seems to me if the GOP had more RINOs, they would have done better in the last Presidential election.


rocket88 said:
It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....
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rocket88 said:
It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....
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can you elaborate on this?

It doesn't surprise me, but I can understand why it does surprise others. If people are exposed to Rand Paul because of the main stream media, then their opinion is based on ignorance and willful deceit.
 
ARealConservative said:
can you elaborate on this?

It doesn't surprise me, but I can understand why it does surprise others. If people are exposed to Rand Paul because of the main stream media, then their opinion is based on ignorance and willful deceit.
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I think it could be political suicide for him. TP won't like it, and that's his base.
 
I would think that Paul's Libertarianish platform would be open to immigration.

Absorbing aliens requires less government than arresting them.
 
Pay attention to what was actually said by Rand Paul, not simply that the subject of "reform" was mentioned or that he favors a "path to citizenship" for criminals. He was very specific in HOW and WHEN that would be discussed; only after border security AND adequate "illegal" immigrant tracking was accomplished - which is, basically, never; since we will never "find" at least 7 million of the 11 million said to be here now (and are adding more every year). The vast majority of illegals now have "passable" (fake) documents to secure employment and we lack any will to press that issue.

If we can’t secure our border, and if we cannot prove we can modernize our system of issuing and tracking visas, we cannot take on the task of adding more people to our system.
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Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform - Washington Times

Consider this only an offer to "trust but verify". We now estimate that 11 million illegals are within our borders. If we grant "legal status" (but not citizenship) by issuing temporary "do not deport" documents to all of them that apply, that will be a great "yardstick" to see if this idea is practical. After two years we will likely then discover that less than 4 million (about 1/3) will "comply". At that point we should immediately deport those that DID comply and place a bounty on the remainder. A secure border is but one piece of the puzzle, since many arrive using student, tourist or temporary work visas and simply "disappear". It is insane to expect that those "illegals" granted US citizenship will continue to work hard for very low pay, since that is precisely why they came in the first place to get "better" jobs.
 
rocket88 said:
I think it could be political suicide for him. TP won't like it, and that's his base.
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going along to get along is also political suicide.

Rand Paul is going to make many enemies with establishment GOP but all of you thinking you have a handle on Rand's base is in for quite a surprise. His real base will include a major dent in apathetic liberals and moderates.
 
There's a huge difference between legal and citizen. I would make them wait a long, long time to become citizens. The came here illegally, and if they get legal status they should stand at the end of the line for anything else. AND NO VOTING.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Seems to me if the GOP had more RINOs, they would have done better in the last Presidential election.
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Old friends from Politico will recognize this one:

Abraham Lincoln was a WINO - Whig In Name Only.
 
Isn't Rand Paul a Libertarian? I don't think Libertarians are against legal immigration.

Are they?
 
Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide, but will be around for an annoyingly long time because the liberal media will now keep that body warm for as long as possible.
 
rocket88 said:
TP won't like it, and that's his base.
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TP according to MSNBC and FOX - absolutely. Actual people who actually form tea parties around the country, most of them - that's a very different story.

Remember 2010 in Arizona? Quote: "The organizers of the four largest Arizona Tea Party organizations – including the Tucson Tea Party, Greater Phoenix Tea Party, Flagstaff Tea Party, and Mohave County Tea Party – issued a joint press release regarding their unified decision to decline endorsing a candidate in the Arizona Senate primary race between John McCain and J.D. Hayworth"

J.D. Hayworth was, of course, the single-issue anti-immigrant candidate. And Sen. McCain was as pro-immigrant and "pro-amnesty" as it could get in the mainstream politics back then. And - McCain was pretty much hated by the TPers for his wishy-washy fiscal positions and his unabashed imperialistic bravado (someone else would have to pay for).
 
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American said:
There's a huge difference between legal and citizen. I would make them wait a long, long time to become citizens. The came here illegally, and if they get legal status they should stand at the end of the line for anything else. AND NO VOTING.
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If someone lives here legally and pays taxes they should have a say in how those taxes are spent, just like anyone else.
 
Ray410 said:
Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide, but will be around for an annoyingly long time because the liberal media will now keep that body warm for as long as possible.
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The entrenched GOP types tried to claim his father also committed suicide. The national GOP spend quite a bit of time and treasure trying to get him out of office, and failed every time.
 
ARealConservative said:
going along to get along is also political suicide.

Rand Paul is going to make many enemies with establishment GOP but all of you thinking you have a handle on Rand's base is in for quite a surprise. His real base will include a major dent in apathetic liberals and moderates.
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Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.
 
this should only spur more illegals to pour across our borders
incentivize the illegality
is there any word to describe it other than 'stupid'
 
Ray410 said:
Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide.
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You may accuse me of necrophilia, but, under the combined impression of the drone saga and this little episode, I am perfectly ready to write a check for his re-election coffers. And so are many, VERY many libertarians, moderates, independents and frustrated traditional Republicans, all over the country.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Pay attention to what was actually said by Rand Paul, not simply that the subject of "reform" was mentioned or that he favors a "path to citizenship" for criminals. He was very specific in HOW and WHEN that would be discussed; only after border security AND adequate "illegal" immigrant tracking was accomplished - which is, basically, never; since we will never "find" at least 7 million of the 11 million said to be here now (and are adding more every year). The vast majority of illegals now have "passable" (fake) documents to secure employment and we lack any will to press that issue.



Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform - Washington Times

Consider this only an offer to "trust but verify". We now estimate that 11 million illegals are within our borders. If we grant "legal status" (but not citizenship) by issuing temporary "do not deport" documents to all of them that apply, that will be a great "yardstick" to see if this idea is practical. After two years we will likely then discover that less than 4 million (about 1/3) will "comply". At that point we should immediately deport those that DID comply and place a bounty on the remainder. A secure border is but one piece of the puzzle, since many arrive using student, tourist or temporary work visas and simply "disappear". It is insane to expect that those "illegals" granted US citizenship will continue to work hard for very low pay, since that is precisely why they came in the first place to get "better" jobs.
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Meanwhile, corporations can still hire them below minimum wage, keeping jobs from Americans and letting the "almost illegals" know they could be deported for NOT working at slave wages. Yeah, that explanation helps put it in the Rand perspective. Anti-American workers.
 
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