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    Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday, as conservative tea party icon and possible 2016 presidential contender Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) endorsed an overhaul of the nationís immigration laws that would allow the nationís estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status.
    ďImmigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. Thatís why Iím here today. To begin, that conversation and become part of the solution,Ē he said in a breakfast speech Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.



    Read more @: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status - The Washington Post

    What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Why is this surprising to you?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Its like a siamese twin fighting its other half- stupid honestly It will be interesting.
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    The idiots on this board that fully take the republican or democrat side and think their party is the harbingers of truth and justice and the other, evil scum who are ruining the country. When you realize they're both the latter, you have reached enlightenment.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Why is this surprising to you?
    It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    It's not a big surprise that a self-professed libertarian goes out of closet on this one. And most tea parties have been studiously neutral on the topic (famously refusing to endorse J.D.Hayworth against McCain in Arizona, despite being extremely frustrated with numerous McCain's positions on other issues).

    Are the libertarians and moderates gathering forces to make a serious bid at controlling the GOP? It looks like they are. Are they likely to win? I wouldn't hold my breath, but stranger things happened.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Seems to me if the GOP had more RINOs, they would have done better in the last Presidential election.


    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status - The Washington Post

    What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    They are afraid they will never win a presidential election and could lose control of the House. Something, btw, they need to be concerned about with the passage of the Ryan Budget
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....
    Curious, that's exactly why it doesn't surprise me.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Curious, that's exactly why it doesn't surprise me.
    To hear the TP-darling embrace "amnesty" doesn't surprise you?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's surprising to me given that it's Rand Paul. Freaking RINO....
    can you elaborate on this?

    It doesn't surprise me, but I can understand why it does surprise others. If people are exposed to Rand Paul because of the main stream media, then their opinion is based on ignorance and willful deceit.

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