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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide, but will be around for an annoyingly long time because the liberal media will now keep that body warm for as long as possible.
    The entrenched GOP types tried to claim his father also committed suicide. The national GOP spend quite a bit of time and treasure trying to get him out of office, and failed every time.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

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    going along to get along is also political suicide.

    Rand Paul is going to make many enemies with establishment GOP but all of you thinking you have a handle on Rand's base is in for quite a surprise. His real base will include a major dent in apathetic liberals and moderates.
    Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    this should only spur more illegals to pour across our borders
    incentivize the illegality
    is there any word to describe it other than 'stupid'
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide.
    You may accuse me of necrophilia, but, under the combined impression of the drone saga and this little episode, I am perfectly ready to write a check for his re-election coffers. And so are many, VERY many libertarians, moderates, independents and frustrated traditional Republicans, all over the country.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Pay attention to what was actually said by Rand Paul, not simply that the subject of "reform" was mentioned or that he favors a "path to citizenship" for criminals. He was very specific in HOW and WHEN that would be discussed; only after border security AND adequate "illegal" immigrant tracking was accomplished - which is, basically, never; since we will never "find" at least 7 million of the 11 million said to be here now (and are adding more every year). The vast majority of illegals now have "passable" (fake) documents to secure employment and we lack any will to press that issue.



    Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform - Washington Times

    Consider this only an offer to "trust but verify". We now estimate that 11 million illegals are within our borders. If we grant "legal status" (but not citizenship) by issuing temporary "do not deport" documents to all of them that apply, that will be a great "yardstick" to see if this idea is practical. After two years we will likely then discover that less than 4 million (about 1/3) will "comply". At that point we should immediately deport those that DID comply and place a bounty on the remainder. A secure border is but one piece of the puzzle, since many arrive using student, tourist or temporary work visas and simply "disappear". It is insane to expect that those "illegals" granted US citizenship will continue to work hard for very low pay, since that is precisely why they came in the first place to get "better" jobs.

    Meanwhile, corporations can still hire them below minimum wage, keeping jobs from Americans and letting the "almost illegals" know they could be deported for NOT working at slave wages. Yeah, that explanation helps put it in the Rand perspective. Anti-American workers.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Just another matter where I disagree with Paul.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.
    the mediots will make a point to try to hurt him, and it will likely work to a great extent.

    People like Rachel Maddow will continue to try to paint him as a racist, war mongering homophobe, and sure, it will work to some degree as well.

    Meanwhile, his actions will eventually sour the Navy Pride types of the conservative wing.

    But I think his base will only expand as they see through the mediot bias.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Meanwhile, corporations can still hire them below minimum wage, keeping jobs from Americans and letting the "almost illegals" know they could be deported for NOT working at slave wages. Yeah, that explanation helps put it in the Rand perspective. Anti-American workers.
    More BS, not backed up by any links as usual.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.
    principled stand? rand paul? no way
    he merely sees that the hispanic vote is a barrier to the GOP winning national office going forward

    but you could always share with us the principle rand paul is is standing on
    i would truly delight in reading it
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    principled stand? rand paul? no way
    he merely sees that the hispanic vote is a barrier to the GOP winning national office going forward

    but you could always share with us the principle rand paul is is standing on
    i would truly delight in reading it
    I truly believe Rand shares my view that anybody that wants to come here, follow our laws, and be a productive member of society should be welcomed to do so.

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