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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    can you elaborate on this?

    It doesn't surprise me, but I can understand why it does surprise others. If people are exposed to Rand Paul because of the main stream media, then their opinion is based on ignorance and willful deceit.

    I think it could be political suicide for him. TP won't like it, and that's his base.


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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    I would think that Paul's Libertarianish platform would be open to immigration.

    Absorbing aliens requires less government than arresting them.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Pay attention to what was actually said by Rand Paul, not simply that the subject of "reform" was mentioned or that he favors a "path to citizenship" for criminals. He was very specific in HOW and WHEN that would be discussed; only after border security AND adequate "illegal" immigrant tracking was accomplished - which is, basically, never; since we will never "find" at least 7 million of the 11 million said to be here now (and are adding more every year). The vast majority of illegals now have "passable" (fake) documents to secure employment and we lack any will to press that issue.

    If we can’t secure our border, and if we cannot prove we can modernize our system of issuing and tracking visas, we cannot take on the task of adding more people to our system.
    Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform - Washington Times

    Consider this only an offer to "trust but verify". We now estimate that 11 million illegals are within our borders. If we grant "legal status" (but not citizenship) by issuing temporary "do not deport" documents to all of them that apply, that will be a great "yardstick" to see if this idea is practical. After two years we will likely then discover that less than 4 million (about 1/3) will "comply". At that point we should immediately deport those that DID comply and place a bounty on the remainder. A secure border is but one piece of the puzzle, since many arrive using student, tourist or temporary work visas and simply "disappear". It is insane to expect that those "illegals" granted US citizenship will continue to work hard for very low pay, since that is precisely why they came in the first place to get "better" jobs.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think it could be political suicide for him. TP won't like it, and that's his base.
    going along to get along is also political suicide.

    Rand Paul is going to make many enemies with establishment GOP but all of you thinking you have a handle on Rand's base is in for quite a surprise. His real base will include a major dent in apathetic liberals and moderates.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    There's a huge difference between legal and citizen. I would make them wait a long, long time to become citizens. The came here illegally, and if they get legal status they should stand at the end of the line for anything else. AND NO VOTING.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Seems to me if the GOP had more RINOs, they would have done better in the last Presidential election.
    Old friends from Politico will recognize this one:

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Isn't Rand Paul a Libertarian? I don't think Libertarians are against legal immigration.

    Are they?
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Rand Paul has now become one of those politicians that has committed political suicide, but will be around for an annoyingly long time because the liberal media will now keep that body warm for as long as possible.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    TP won't like it, and that's his base.
    TP according to MSNBC and FOX - absolutely. Actual people who actually form tea parties around the country, most of them - that's a very different story.

    Remember 2010 in Arizona? Quote: "The organizers of the four largest Arizona Tea Party organizations – including the Tucson Tea Party, Greater Phoenix Tea Party, Flagstaff Tea Party, and Mohave County Tea Party – issued a joint press release regarding their unified decision to decline endorsing a candidate in the Arizona Senate primary race between John McCain and J.D. Hayworth"

    J.D. Hayworth was, of course, the single-issue anti-immigrant candidate. And Sen. McCain was as pro-immigrant and "pro-amnesty" as it could get in the mainstream politics back then. And - McCain was pretty much hated by the TPers for his wishy-washy fiscal positions and his unabashed imperialistic bravado (someone else would have to pay for).
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There's a huge difference between legal and citizen. I would make them wait a long, long time to become citizens. The came here illegally, and if they get legal status they should stand at the end of the line for anything else. AND NO VOTING.
    If someone lives here legally and pays taxes they should have a say in how those taxes are spent, just like anyone else.
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