• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Poison gas missile strike in Syria

apdst said:
The only solution to islamofacism is to kill them all and reap so much death and destruction that islamofacism becomes a dirty word, just like Nazism became a dirty word in Germany after WW2.
Click to expand...

Nazism was not defeated merely by total war. It was defeated, finally and permanently, by the collective intellectual capability of the western world.

The islamofacist fanatics are ready to die for their cause and I say we accomadate them every chance we get.
Click to expand...

I'm all for killing active terrorists. I just don't think total war is gonna accomplish that in a meaningful way.
 
Captain America said:
I just hope the current administration don't go off half-cocked with bad intelligence and jump feet first into another costly war like the last one did. We STILL haven't recovered from that screw up.

Think about it. If you were a Syrian rebel and you wanted to drag in the U.S. to help you depose the Syrian regime, how could you do it? Let loose some deadly gas and blame it on the Regime. Or, better yet, if you're a defense contractor wanting make a zillion dollars off another war, how could you get the US to get involved? I don't doubt either scenerio.

You folks should never forget that the pro-Syrian people as well as the Syrian rebels would like nothing more than to hang American heads on pikes.

We don't owe them a thing. Let the cards fall where they may. We have our own issues that are more important to us than to solve the crisis of a people who would just as soon see us all hanging from trusses with our bodies in ashes. Screw them.

We got no dog in their fight. Let 'em just kill each other off. It ain't our bitch.
Click to expand...


There's no evidence that confirms that an NBC weapon was even employed.

Syria rebels, regime blame each other for first alleged chemical weapons attack - CBS News
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama said this was his red line. It will be interesting to see what happens with this unnerving development.
"Both sides in the Syrian conflict have blamed the other for firing a chemical weapon at a village killing 16 people."

Poison gas missile strike in Syria - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
Click to expand...

According to the article, there is a huge question as to whether chemical weapons was used at all. That should be our number one priority in determining if chemical weapons was used or not before we go off half cocked.
 
apdst said:
South Korea and Japan weren't over-flowing with islamofacists, either. Not to mention we bombed Japan into dust.

The only solution to islamofacism is to kill them all and reap so much death and destruction that islamofacism becomes a dirty word, just like Nazism became a dirty word in Germany after WW2.

The islamofacist fanatics are ready to die for their cause and I say we accomadate them every chance we get.
Click to expand...

Double/like.
 
ecofarm said:
Nazism was not defeated merely by total war. It was defeated, finally and permenantly, by the collective intellectual capability of the western world.
Click to expand...

After we, "used their living guts to grease the treads of our tanks".



I'm all for killing terrorists. I just don't think total wal is gonna accomplish that in a meaningful way.
Click to expand...

Well, half-ass tactics don't work...obviously.
 
Captain America said:
Assuming real evidence is even required to start another war. I hope Obama has better judgement than the last guy.
Click to expand...

Obama doesn't have the balls to launch an invasion, even with solid evidence. He's too busy destroying America from within; a war would unite the country and his agenda can't afford that.
 
apdst said:
South Korea and Japan weren't over-flowing with islamofacists, either. Not to mention we bombed Japan into dust.

The only solution to islamofacism is to kill them all and reap so much death and destruction that islamofacism becomes a dirty word, just like Nazism became a dirty word in Germany after WW2.

The islamofacist fanatics are ready to die for their cause and I say we accomadate them every chance we get.
Click to expand...

The Japanese were willing to die for their cause too, but them atom bomb put the fear of god into, that or the emperor was more concerned about losing his royal family jewels in a invasion and came to terms.

We helped rebuild Japan, South Korea and Germany and now they are staunchest allies.
 
Perotista said:
According to the article, there is a huge question as to whether chemical weapons was used at all. That should be our number one priority in determining if chemical weapons was used or not before we go off half cocked.
Click to expand...

Either way, why should we defend a people who would love to see American's dead and decomposed? Why do we have to be the one's financing their hell with our dollars and lives? Russia and China are their friends. Let them save them. I could care less who gases who in Syria. If they kill each other off, it will save us a lot of money and blood.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The Japanese were willing to die for their cause too, but them atom bomb put the fear of god into, that or the emperor was more concerned about losing his royal family jewels in a invasion and came to terms.
Click to expand...

And we gave them their wish, too.

We helped rebuild Japan, South Korea and Germany and now they are staunchest allies.
Click to expand...

Right, because not only did we help with reconstruction, we killed off everyone that hated the United States. See how that works?
 
apdst said:
Iraqi cops were allowed to help.

Iraqi police in the cross hairs of anti-US forces / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
Click to expand...

Interview with Gen. Jay Garner -
So the constabulary forces never materialized, and the decision was made not to bring back the Iraqi army
Click to expand...
- Interviews - Lt. Gen. Jay Garner (ret.) | The Lost Year In Iraq | FRONTLINE | PBS

Another interview with Gen. Jay Garner -

Question: And at this point, what had happened to your request for the largee training and advisory group(to work with Iraqi police)? Had that been approved?
Garner's Answer: No, it wastn't approved. It was held in abeyance. Frank Miller, who worked for Condolezza Rice, did not aggree with that. He didn't think - and whatever reasons I never quite understood - but Frank Miller did not believe that need that largee footprint. And so I went to see Dr. Rice probably in March - I don't remember now - and essentially briefed her on the difference between what I thought was the right footprint and what Frank Miller thought was the right footprint. And I asked her not to make a determination againstt me at that time; just leave it open, and when we got ther, I would call her and would report back and give them a realistic number.
Click to expand...
No End in Sight: Iraq's Descent Into Chaos - Charles Ferguson - Google Books

When Garner got to Bagdad after the initial invasion, the entire police force was gone. OHRA worked to find and recall them, but was only able to get 40% back. After Garner was dismissed and Bremer was brought in, he came with Bernard Kerik, who would then be in charge of the Iraqi police.

Kerik: There was an internal momentum - not by me, by other...... to abolish the Iraqui Police... like they did the Iraqui military....
Click to expand...
No End in Sight: Iraq's Descent Into Chaos - Charles Ferguson - Google Books

Check out page 241 or Kerik's full account of his thought on disbannding the Iraqi police and that process.
 
Captain America said:
Either way, why should we defend a people who would love to see American's dead and decomposed? Why do we have to be the one's financing their hell with our dollars and lives? Russia and China are their friends. Let them save them. I could care less who gases who in Syria. If they kill each other off, it will save us a lot of money and blood.
Click to expand...

Damn right!!
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The Japanese were willing to die for their cause too, but them atom bomb put the fear of god into, that or the emperor was more concerned about losing his royal family jewels in a invasion and came to terms.

We helped rebuild Japan, South Korea and Germany and now they are staunchest allies.
Click to expand...

Certainly you are not suggesting that Syrians will ever become staunch allies of the United States, right? Or Iran. Or Iraq. Or Afghanastan. Those Islamaniacs hate our guts. Nothing is going to change that. Especially blowing up their children into tiny pieces.
 
ecofarm said:
Nazism was not defeated merely by total war. It was defeated, finally and permanently, by the collective intellectual capability of the western world.
Click to expand...
Some might argue that it was intellectualism that made Nazism possible, and wisdom/hindsight that defeated it.
 
apdst said:
And we gave them their wish, too.



Right, because not only did we help with reconstruction, we killed off everyone that hated the United States. See how that works?
Click to expand...

We did not have to invade Japan because even fanatics have limits.
 
Taylor said:
Some might argue that it was intellectualism that made Nazism possible, and wisdom/hindsight that defeated it.
Click to expand...

That someone would fail to understand what intellectualism means.
 
Captain America said:
Certainly you are not suggesting that Syrians will ever become staunch allies of the United States, right? Or Iran. Or Iraq. Or Afghanastan. Those Islamaniacs hate our guts. Nothing is going to change that. Especially blowing up their children into tiny pieces.
Click to expand...

Not every Islamic nation hates our guts. Take turkey for example.

But I am arguing that giving in to our blind rage and kill everyone only makes people join the terrorists side. If we act rationally and come with a understanding of the culture and show that we are not evil, then the people will be more open to reason and not so willing to join the terrorists who commit suicide bombings and indiscriminately kill their own people.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
We did not have to invade Japan because even fanatics have limits.
Click to expand...

We didn't have to invade them, because we nuked their asses...LOL!!!

But, you're absolutely right: fanatics do have their limits and until you take them to that breaking point, they will not cease to be a dangerous enemy. Give them a coke and a smile as much as you want and they're still going to hate you.
 
WWGWD said:
I get that it was someone elses words, but you seem to agree, which is why I commented on it. The way you phrased your comment, it sounded like you believed, which definitely scared me. It also wasn't an attempt at outrage, I am actually outraged at how we handled the invasion. Thank you for the further explanation of your comment though. I'm slightly less frightened, lol.
Click to expand...

No one should be frightened by me, a lowly Canadian, a stray voice in the wilderness, although resident in the third largest city in North America. :)

I'm not big on war, being older I'm not able to participate unless something goes truly catastrophic, so it's not for me to be encouraging others to fight. My comments were simply to reflect that in my view Iran may be a lot like Iraq - all talk, not much to back it up - and a force as strong as America's, with allies like those in NATO, would likely make quick work of them as they did in Iraq - and the aftermath would likely be far less chaotic due to the highly educated and in many respects "westernized" younger population.

But like Iraq and Iran, I'm all talk too, just enjoying the give and take of life in DP land.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Not every Islamic nation hates our guts. Take turkey for example.

But I am arguing that giving in to our blind rage and kill everyone only makes people join the terrorists side. If we act rationally and come with a understanding of the culture and show that we are not evil, then the people will be more open to reason and not so willing to join the terrorists who commit suicide bombings and indiscriminately kill their own people.
Click to expand...

Naw, just most of them...LOL!!!
 
CanadaJohn said:
being older I'm not able to participate unless something goes truly catastrophic, so it's not for me to be encouraging others to fight.
Click to expand...

I disagree with that. Even someone who never served has the right to be a hawk.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom