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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We applied the same mistakes we learned from Afghanistan to Iraq with even worse consequences.
    I don't really think we applied anything. I really think the people making the decisions thought that the Iraqi people would greet us as liberators, and all we had to do will kill Saddam and protect their oil fields to win. The impression I get from what I've read, is that no one even thought to look at the possibility that that might not work the way they envision it would, and didn't have a plan b. The focus was more on making the case to invade Iraq, then actually executing it successfuly.

    Those are totally assertions, based on my own perspective and bias, but It's what I think happened. I just can't believe that 10 years later, with all of the information we have now about what happened, people can still say that doing it, was the right thing to do. I just can't see that.
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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Tell that to the thousands of people who got caught in the cross fire. The thousands of Iraqi police that instantly became jobless and broke the moment the US invaded, even though they begged commanders on the ground to let them help. Tell that to the hospitals, water treatment plants and ministries that were looted and destroyed because no one thought to secure them. Tell that to the tons of explosives that are still unaccounted for and the nuclear facility that was looted, because no one was guarding it.

    The peace process was so bungled, because we executed the invasion so poorly. It was effective from a military standpoint, but the damage done as a result, still resinates in that country. It scares me when I see the history of that invasion, so wildly miss represented in a single sentences. The rest of your statement is legitimate, I just wanted to point that one thing out. Hope you don't mind.
    Iraqi cops were allowed to help.

    Iraqi police in the cross hairs of anti-US forces / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What if it was not us leading the charge? What if turkey gets involved first?
    I still thinks a bad idea.


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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I wouldn't expect that, even in the event of a more serious chem use. I would expect the US to kill everything Assad that's not standing next to a Russian. Then the Russians can clean it up.
    Again I ask, what if NATO gets involved first and asks for help? Turkey shares a border with Syria and is directly affected by the chaos.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Again I ask, what if NATO gets involved first and asks for help? Turkey shares a border with Syria and is directly affected by the chaos.
    I don't see Syria requiring ground troops. I'm a bigtime hawk, I want to nation build Iran. Boots on the ground in Syria does not strengthen our position regarding the Iranian regime. Further, solving Iran solves Syria so it would kinda be walking backwards. Assad could be eliminated from the air, we just gotta be careful not to hit too many Russians.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I still thinks a bad idea.
    Even if our only role was air support?

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Tell that to the thousands of people who got caught in the cross fire. The thousands of Iraqi police that instantly became jobless and broke the moment the US invaded, even though they begged commanders on the ground to let them help. Tell that to the hospitals, water treatment plants and ministries that were looted and destroyed because no one thought to secure them. Tell that to the tons of explosives that are still unaccounted for and the nuclear facility that was looted, because no one was guarding it.

    The peace process was so bungled, because we executed the invasion so poorly. It was effective from a military standpoint, but the damage done as a result, still resinates in that country. It scares me when I see the history of that invasion, so wildly miss represented in a single sentences. The rest of your statement is legitimate, I just wanted to point that one thing out. Hope you don't mind.
    In case you didn't follow, the words "walk in the park" were not mine, but another poster's from a previous comment that I was referring to. It in no way reflected my view about those involved in the action or who were affected as a consequence, your attempt at outrage, notwithstanding.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What if it was not us leading the charge? What if turkey gets involved first?
    That would turn into a gigantic charlie foxtrot.

    Going in to do anything other than kill fighters on both sides, will be nothing but a charlie foxtrot, so I agree that sending combat forces is a bad idea.

    Personally, I think we should sit back and let them all kill each other.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Even if our only role was air support?
    How do you do that, without putting our people on the ground that are trained in our weapons systems and tactics?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't see Syria requiring ground troops. I'm a bigtime hawk, I want to nation build Iran. Boots on the ground in Syria does not strengthen our position regarding the Iranian regime. Further, solving Iran solves Syria so it would kinda be walking backwards. Assad could be eliminated from the air, we just gotta be careful not to hit too many Russians.
    Syria is irans only ally in the Middle East that is not Hamas and Hezbollah, so knocking out the Assad regime further isolates Iran and limits its strategic options.

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