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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Or it could be just as likely that some outside source delivered it to incriminate both sides. Im not sure who Syria's enemies are though.
    Why would they be stupid enough to do that to themselves when it would be such an easy excuse for big dogs to invade their airspace?
    If it is, in fact the Assad regime that is responsible, it could mean that they're getting desperate.


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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Russia, which has military and intel on the ground, says it was the rebels (presuming it happened). I think they've the capability to determine such and I do not think they would lie for Assad on something like this.

    The 'experts' (see my CBS link above) say it was not chem.

    Those two things line up, as Russia presumably does not have such insider info to rebel actions and was simply saying "nope, not Assad".
    Let us not forget that Russia is Syrias biggest supplier of military hardware, so it has a stake in ensuring Assad stays in power, or if we are being cynical, prolonging the civil war in order to rake in the profits from weapon sales

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    the war part was a walk in the park, the peace is what the US bungled
    Tell that to the thousands of people who got caught in the cross fire. The thousands of Iraqi police that instantly became jobless and broke the moment the US invaded, even though they begged commanders on the ground to let them help. Tell that to the hospitals, water treatment plants and ministries that were looted and destroyed because no one thought to secure them. Tell that to the tons of explosives that are still unaccounted for and the nuclear facility that was looted, because no one was guarding it.

    The peace process was so bungled, because we executed the invasion so poorly. It was effective from a military standpoint, but the damage done as a result, still resinates in that country. It scares me when I see the history of that invasion, so wildly miss represented in a single sentences. The rest of your statement is legitimate, I just wanted to point that one thing out. Hope you don't mind.
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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's probably people who could, but it's unlikely that they'll be very forthcoming with it. They're likely to be on one side or the other, and I don't think either side would want to disclose what they have.

    Perhaps when the war is over...but not now.
    When you decide to fight (use force) to obtain a goal you do not wait for the other side to give in on their own. If we choose to interfere in this situation, one would hope that forcing these people to be forthcoming with the disclosure of information needed prior to the use of ground forces is being planned at this moment. I personally would not want the end of the use of chemical and biological weapons to be predicated upon the war being over.
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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    That makes a bit of sense if they were watching the Syrian Government closely.
    I think Russia has a pretty good 'in' with Assad's people (being their only supporter, aside Iran). Do you think Russia would lie, for Assad or anyone, about chem use?


    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Let us not forget that Russia is Syrias biggest supplier of military hardware, so it has a stake in ensuring Assad stays in power, or if we are being cynical, prolonging the civil war in order to rake in the profits from weapon sales
    As above.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If it is, in fact the Assad regime that is responsible, it could mean that they're getting desperate.
    It really doesn't matter how desperate you are seeing as chemical weapons = signing your own death warrant. Seems the use of chem weapons would be to "create chaos" not "stay in power".
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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Tell that to the thousands of people who got caught in the cross fire. The thousands of Iraqi police that instantly became jobless and broke the moment the US invaded, even though they begged commanders on the ground to let them help. Tell that to the hospitals, water treatment plants and ministries that were looted and destroyed because no one thought to secure them. Tell that to the tons of explosives that are still unaccounted for and the nuclear facility that was looted, because no one was guarding it.

    The peace process was so bungled, because we executed the invasion so poorly. It was effective from a military standpoint, but the damage done as a result, still resinates in that country. It scares me when I see the history of that invasion, so wildly miss represented in a single sentences. The rest of your statement is legitimate, I just wanted to point that one thing out. Hope you don't mind.
    We applied the same mistakes we learned from Afghanistan to Iraq with even worse consequences.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    When you decide to fight (use force) to obtain a goal you do not wait for the other side to give in on their own. If we choose to interfere in this situation, one would hope that forcing these people to be forthcoming with the disclosure of information needed prior to the use of ground forces is being planned at this moment. I personally would not want the end of the use of chemical and biological weapons to be predicated upon the war being over.
    I would not like that either. Frankly, I don't like any of what's happening.

    Rushing our troops in, on a third side...that sounds like extremely bad news if you ask me.


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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I would not like that either. Frankly, I don't like any of what's happening.

    Rushing our troops in, on a third side...that sounds like extremely bad news if you ask me.
    What if it was not us leading the charge? What if turkey gets involved first?

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Rushing our troops in, on a third side...that sounds like extremely bad news if you ask me.
    I wouldn't expect that, even in the event of a more serious chem use. I would expect the US to kill everything Assad that's not standing next to a Russian. Then the Russians can clean it up.

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