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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Personally, I think anyone enjoying the freedoms of America, that did not serve, is much like a welfare rat. Living off the work of others.

    But I digress.
    Unlike in Israel, Canadians are not required to serve in the military as part of their youth. I was born after WWII and was too young to serve in Korea and too old to enlist after 9/11. Unlike in the US, we haven't had wars for every generation to "enjoy". I don't consider myself a "welfare rat", having never lived a day off the avails of the government or others, other than in my youth when my parents looked after me. It is an attitude like yours, I would say, that causes many people to distrust military leadership. If a person is called by their country to serve and they refuse to when they are able, then that is something to criticize.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Just sayin'.... And if the shoe fits......

    Next time one of you rightwingers wanna complain about some lazy person sitting on the front porch all day drinking 40's and living off a government check, keep in mind that, if you did not serve, that's how I look at you. That goes for leftwingers too.
    You don't have to sign any contract to defend your country if any foreign armies invade us. Why should one serve if one doesn't believe in the cause of the war? You can be a macho man and go beat up someone who doesn't deserve your attention it but it doesn't make you a good man. I seen how racist my friends became after they served and no thank you. Sounds like high school with deadly force.
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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If a person is called by their country to serve and they refuse to when they are able, then that is something to criticize.
    I'm not so sure. I'm against a draft. In the case of Israel, it's kinda different because the survival of the country is clearly on the line. Vietnam, not so much.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    cpwill predicts....


    we make Very Angry Very Firm.... Noises....

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racism is neither abstract nor intellectual.
    It most certainly was in the early 20th century. Prior to WWII, eugenics was considered a progressive movement led by Ivy League intellectuals - on the forefront of science with all the promise to improve the human race. There were academic journals devoted to the subject. Scholars devoted their careers toward "racial improvement." This was a "new science for breeding better men" wrote the editors of Scientific American:

    Suppose that Ada Juke or her immediate children had been prevented from perpetuating the Juke family. Not only would the State have been spared the necessity of supporting one thousand defective persons, morally and physically incapable of performing the functions of citizenship, but American manhood would have been considerably better off, and society would have been free from one taint at least.
    How compelling! Laws were passed allowing forceful sterilization of anyone deemed "unfit" to produce offspring. Even the SCOTUS was swayed by such rationality, judging that society would be much better off preventing certain people from breeding rather than having to wait years to "execute their degenerate offspring" or to have to provide for "imbeciles" who would otherwise starve. But if the goal is to improve society, why stop with morons, homosexuals, epileptics, and criminals? The immigration act of 1924 was enacted to severely limit the number of Southern and Eastern Europeans (i.e. Italians and Jews) allowed to enter the US - further constraining the gene pool to only the most desirable of characteristics.

    Much of the justification used for Hitler's conquests and later his extermination of millions began in the halls of universities as our best and brightest intellectual minds endeavored to create a better world through eugenics.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It most certainly was in the early 20th century.
    Sure, and human rights once meant that women could live on a piece of property without a man. Live in the now. Intellectualism is not about apology.

    You glorify the past when the future dries up.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    didnt both sides claim they had chemical weapons? And didnt both sides say they would use them?
    What a cluster****


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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...and what would you propose?
    What I proposed long ago when this thing started. As soon as the situation degenerated into civil war and Assad started massacring his people we should have secured the WMD sites we knew about and destroyed or removed the stores. Then we should have announced that we wish to protect the civilian populace from Assad (as we did in Libya) and bombed the crap out of some of his strategic sites in order to strip away his C4I and IADS capabilities. This would have left us much better positioned against Iran, and removed a serious threat.

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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What I proposed long ago when this thing started. As soon as the situation degenerated into civil war and Assad started massacring his people we should have secured the WMD sites we knew about and destroyed or removed the stores. Then we should have announced that we wish to protect the civilian populace from Assad (as we did in Libya) and bombed the crap out of some of his strategic sites in order to strip away his C4I and IADS capabilities. This would have left us much better positioned against Iran, and removed a serious threat.
    So our job is to be the policemen of the world?


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    Re: Poison gas missile strike in Syria

    White House warns of 'consequences' if Syria has used a chemical weapon - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

    The White House on Tuesday warned there would be “consequences” for the regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad if it has crossed President Obama’s “red line” and used a chemical weapon. Press secretary Jay Carney declined to confirm reports that a chemical weapon has been used for the first time in Syria’s civil war, saying only that the White House is "looking carefully at the information as it comes in."

    The White House did not rule out the possibility that the Assad regime waged the attack, and warned there would be "consequences" if they are found to have done so.
    

"We have been very clear about our concern that as the Assad regime is increasingly beleaguered … that it will consider the use of chemical weapons against the Syrian people," Carney said, stressing that the administration was "obviously treating this as a serious issue."




    Have to see what happens from here..


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