No ... you do not know what took place before the touching of her vagina. They were wrong yet the entire evening was not recorded.
My point is usually girls while drinking themselves to semi coma-tose say and do things they regret or do not recall. Fact. What if she had said she wanted them to touch her. You do not know anything as very little was recorded. They were wrong yet they are not rapists beyond a shadow of a doubt for touching the vagina of a woman who drank her self semi coma-tose while with them and no one knows or remembers what transpired in those hours of drinking.
I stand firm ... they should all ( the girl included) be in Juvenile D and be educated.
Seriously if I drank myself coma tose and had no memory of what I said or did ... I would not make someone a convicted felon. They are all kids and stupid and ill bred and they were ALL illegally drinking. The boys should get a year in J D and educated and the girl should be educated not to drink to comatose.
All those people are disgusting in their behaviors including the girl who is willing to have no recall of events while drinking herself coma tose yet be down with making them convicted felons when she does not know what she said or did .
Could you send someone to jail if you had no recall of what you said or did before the event?
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