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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What does any of that have to do with my comment on broken homes?

    Nothing.
    You mean boys from broken homes are prone to rape and kidnapping? Bull.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    CNN is the only media outlet I've heard of that focused any attention on the rapists' suffering. If you ask me, it's appropriate this is mentioned, because while this girl may eventually move on with her life, these guys will find it difficult or impossible to find work or housing because of their criminal past. It wouldn't surprise me if they're living under a bridge or eating out of garbage cans in ten years, as many sex offenders do. If these guys had beaten some scrawny male student instead of raped a female student, they might have still gone to prison for a year, but they would have avoided the sex offender registry which is going to make life a living hell for them once they are released from prison.
    The victim's name was released by CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. CNN and NBC talked about how sad this all was for the rapists, ABC made excuses for the rapists, and USA spent their coverage on focusing on how drunk the girl was. Mainstream media coverage in general was kind to the rapists, and not very kind to the victim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    No, it's evidence of ignorance, not rape culture.
    I consider a society that does not consistently educate its populous about the definition of rape as a cause of this ignorance, and thus an example of rape culture. If our culture saw preventing rape as a higher priority, we would see teaching about the different types of rape as an essential component of sex education. Yes, some schools do. But obviously some don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    30 days seems reasonable to me. That prevents a lot of vindictive women from suddenly reporting false rapes after the marriage goes sour. As far as "aggravated force", that pretty much describes all rape except the passed out drunk kind. And honestly, how common do you honestly think it is for a husband to rape his wife while she's passed out? Many women wouldn't even consider that rape. The lack of consent doesn't always mean it's forced sex.
    The 30 day limit also prevents women who are in abusive relationships for years from reporting rapes that happened during the course of that abuse once they are out and actually feel safe(or safer) reporting the rapes. And a rape accomplished with aggravated force is NOT a description of all rape except the passed out drunk kind. There is rape by deception, date rape, rape under the threat of force, coercive rape, forced rape that does not include aggravated battery, and others. Date rape probably doesn't occur in marriages, nether would rape by deception. But rape by coercion, rape under threat of force (or say, with a weapon), and rape in which a woman is forced but not battered cannot by charged as rape in that state if they occur within a marriage. And that is not right. If I'm married in that state, don't want to have sex, and my husband threatens to beat me if I don't have sex with him, that is rape. The state needs to recognize that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    The "legitimate rape" statement is a term used in reference to false rape allegations. Rape has the highest false allegation rate of any crime. Akin was trying to differentiate between real rapes and women who claimed they were raped, but were not.
    That's not was he was saying at all, though it's a convenient cover. All he said was that he misspoke. There was no discussion of false rape allegations. He was differentiating between forcible rape, which he saw as legitimate, and all of the other kinds.

    You don't want to call it a rape culture because according to you, apparently, we only have a rape culture if basically everyone supports rape. So, fine, let's get away from the feminist term because the term is not what is important and just look at the actual situation. Can we at least agree that there is an issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to education about rape (kinds of rape, prevention, how to report rape), rape prevention in schools, military, prisons and churches, and ensuring that victims can safely report rapes without being blamed and threatened for 'ruining their rapist's life'?
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    I think that most of the people in this thread who are making excuses for the convicted rapists and blaming the rape victim are probably rapists.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I think that most of the people in this thread who are making excuses for the convicted rapists and blaming the rape victim are probably rapists.
    Your name sake married a 9 year old. Sit down.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-19-13 at 06:34 PM.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your name sake married a 9 year old. Sit down.
    where is the evidence ?
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Not that anyone should listen to him on the mere account of who he is... but Henry Rollins makes some good points in his response to these events.

    Henry Rollins Comments On Steubenville Rape Verdict | Under the Gun Review

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    where is the evidence ?
    • Watt, "Aisha", Encyclopedia of Islam Online
    • Spellberg, D.A. (1996). Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: The Legacy of 'A'isha Bint ABI Bakr. Columbia University Press. pp. 4-5. ISBN 0-231-07999-0, ISBN 978-0-231-07999-0.
    • Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.
    • Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
    • Barlas (2002), p. 125-126


    Aisha was 6-7 when they were engaged, the marriage was consummated when she was 10. Muhammad was a pedophile.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    • Watt, "Aisha", Encyclopedia of Islam Online
    • Spellberg, D.A. (1996). Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: The Legacy of 'A'isha Bint ABI Bakr. Columbia University Press. pp. 4-5. ISBN 0-231-07999-0, ISBN 978-0-231-07999-0.
    • Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.
    • Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
    • Barlas (2002), p. 125-126
    they are gossip ,not evidence .any evidence from kuran ?
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your name sake married a 9 year old. Sit down.
    Jerry.. until recently (as in 60 years ago) their were NO birthdates kept in Arabia.. but historical documents put Aisha's age between 16 and 19 years old.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    they are gossip
    Where is your evidence that they are gossip?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Jerry.. until recently (as in 60 years ago) their were NO birthdates kept in Arabia.. but historical documents put Aisha's age between 16 and 19 years old.
    Your post in no way negates mine. Even if you were correct, you didn't give any citation. I did.

    Muhammad was a pedophile, and he never visited the temple mount. You've all been scammed. At least Scientologists don't war with nations.

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