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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely...AS THEY SHOULD! If I host, or agree to have my kids host a party where underaged drinking is going on, or people at my party get too drunk to drive, and they leave and kill someone, I can be held accountable. I hope that goes for the people that owned the house this happened in as well...Oh, and kudos to the mom of the victim in this case for using her statement in court to say exactly what needed to be said about these boys....
    You'll get no argument from me on that count.

    Here is an excerpt from the New Yorker.. ripping CNN. Its a good read.


    Worse, one could take away the impression that a nice girl doesn’t press charges, rather than that nice boys do not, as was the case in Steubenville, take a girl who has drunk too much and bring her from party to party, assaulting her in a car on the way, until they end up in a basement where they strip and assault her again, and try to make her perform oral sex—except that she is not conscious enough—and then take photographs of her naked body.

    They do not text “yep” when asked if they had sex with her, or “I shoulda raped now that everybody thinks I did,” but “she wasn’t awake enough”—as Mays did, raising the question of whether he didn’t think it could be rape if she was passed out—and then text the girl to complain about being taken off the football team and tell her “I’ll just never do anything nice for you again.” Nice—but nice people at a party watching all this can’t let it happen, let alone send around pictures and videos with brutal captions afterward, and then leave their friend to look at them as she frantically wonders what happened to her in the hours she can’t remember.

    And nice policemen and nice football coaches don’t act like they hope it will just go away until the pressure of bloggers and social media (and the hackers of Anonymous) pushes them to act. And all of these people cannot then carry on as though the one who caused the trouble was the sixteen-year-old girl who was raped—and who, according to testimony in the trial, has been dropped by her friends, ostracized,

    Read more: Life After the Steubenville Rape Trial: Are the Defendants’ Lives Really Over? : The New Yorker

    The message is that NICE girls don't press charges.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She should not have to act intelligently to be safe in this regard. It should be a valid assumption that if you get drunk, your classmates will not rape you. You are blaming the victim. They are unrelated. She made mistakes. Those mistakes did not cause her to be raped.
    I think this is the point. Ordinarily, normal young people in high school assume that their classmates will not rape them. I remember being raped in college. When the violence started, I was so shocked at first I did not even know how to fight back because I had been raised in a community where it was utterly unthinkable that a man would use violence to have sex with a girl. That is why I said above, rape teaches you never to trust a human being again.

    But the thing is that society and civilization are actually based on trust, so if your classmates rape you, you learn never to trust society again. That is not good for society. We have to understand that society teaches us to have basic trust in others, so if it now has to teach girls not to trust their classmates, teaches them that all males and maybe some females, could rape you at any time, it is teaching them to accept a state of alienation from the basic trust on which society is built. I'm not saying don't teach them. But this is not just their problem - it's everyone's problem in society.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If my kids found themselves in a situation where they witnessed something like this and didn't stop it, or get their ass kicked trying to stop it, they would get one hell of a message when I got my hands on them.
    That's good parenting.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustmop View Post
    ...yes, because, you know, humans have the intellectual and moral capacity of wild predatory animals.

    Rape culture is why the people testifying in this case didn't think it was rape because the girl was unconscious.
    Rape culture is why these boys joked with each other about the "dead girl" being "so raped" and didn't think there would be any consequences.
    Rape culture is why people see rape as being a less violent crime if the victim is too weak, incapacitated, or terrified to fight back.
    Rape culture is why the victim in this case is being harassed on twitter and getting death threats.

    Education to combat rape culture isn't JUST telling men not to rape women. It's teaching men to respect women's bodies. It's teaching them that the rule isn't "no means no"; the rule is "only consent given when NOT incapacitated means yes, and that person reserves the right and any time to retract that consent". It's teaching men that women are not a conquest to be taken and bragged about, that men are fully capable of controlling their actions no matter what a woman looks like, no matter what she is wearing, and no matter what state she is in.

    Look at these boys. They were not ASHAMED of what they did. It's a culture which allows men to do that to a woman without feeling ashamed of themselves that contributes to rape. This never would have happened if they had been taught that trying to shoved your dick in an unconscious girl's mouth, taking off her clothes, fingering her, and ejaculating on her is a shameful thing for them to do. Instead, they were taught that they have a free license do what they want, to whomever they want (especially if they are too incapacitated to remember your assault) because they are good at sports. That. Is. Rape. Culture.

    This case was made into a big deal precisely because this kind of thing happens all the time, is tolerated all the time, goes unpunished all the time, and that plenty of young men think it is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, document, and brag about right up until the point at which they actually suffer consequences.
    Thank you for a great post.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    In all of this I wonder if the idea that the victim was from West Virgina, and likely not
    a classmate of the boys, had much to do with why they thought this would be acceptable behavior?
    Like maybe the Girl was from "the other side of the tracks" or the river in this case.
    Showing contempt, that her safety somehow had less value.
    The other girls may not have spoken up for her, because she was an outsider.
    NOTE: I am in no way defending the boys, just wondering about the social dynamics
    that allowed this crime to be viewed as acceptable.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    Gee, and here I thought that parents could teach boys...
    Implying the boys had parents involved in thier lives....did you miss the part where they came from broken homes?

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    Neither have I, but frankly, I don't know a single woman in my town who would have shown any sympathy whatsoever for the two boys the way Candy Crowley and Poppy Harlow did on CNN News. Most of the guys in my town would have found those boys disgusting and had contempt for their entire attitude toward girls.
    Ok....and....?

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok....and....?
    Read the piece in the New Yorker.. The behavior of the coach etc.. The message is NICE girls don't press charges.

    Worse, one could take away the impression that a nice girl doesn’t press charges, rather than that nice boys do not, as was the case in Steubenville, take a girl who has drunk too much and bring her from party to party, assaulting her in a car on the way, until they end up in a basement where they strip and assault her again, and try to make her perform oral sex—except that she is not conscious enough—and then take photographs of her naked body.

    They do not text “yep” when asked if they had sex with her, or “I shoulda raped now that everybody thinks I did,” but “she wasn’t awake enough”—as Mays did, raising the question of whether he didn’t think it could be rape if she was passed out—and then text the girl to complain about being taken off the football team and tell her “I’ll just never do anything nice for you again.”

    Nice—but nice people at a party watching all this can’t let it happen, let alone send around pictures and videos with brutal captions afterward, and then leave their friend to look at them as she frantically wonders what happened to her in the hours she can’t remember. And nice policemen and nice football coaches don’t act like they hope it will just go away until the pressure of bloggers and social media (and the hackers of Anonymous) pushes them to act.

    And all of these people cannot then carry on as though the one who caused the trouble was the sixteen-year-old girl who was raped—and who, according to testimony in the trial, has been dropped by her friends, ostracized, and put under every sort of pressure—and not the rapists.

    Read more: Life After the Steubenville Rape Trial: Are the Defendants’ Lives Really Over? : The New Yorker

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Read the piece in the New Yorker.. The behavior of the coach etc.. The message is NICE girls don't press charges.

    Worse, one could take away the impression that a nice girl doesn’t press charges, rather than that nice boys do not, as was the case in Steubenville, take a girl who has drunk too much and bring her from party to party, assaulting her in a car on the way, until they end up in a basement where they strip and assault her again, and try to make her perform oral sex—except that she is not conscious enough—and then take photographs of her naked body.

    They do not text “yep” when asked if they had sex with her, or “I shoulda raped now that everybody thinks I did,” but “she wasn’t awake enough”—as Mays did, raising the question of whether he didn’t think it could be rape if she was passed out—and then text the girl to complain about being taken off the football team and tell her “I’ll just never do anything nice for you again.”

    Nice—but nice people at a party watching all this can’t let it happen, let alone send around pictures and videos with brutal captions afterward, and then leave their friend to look at them as she frantically wonders what happened to her in the hours she can’t remember. And nice policemen and nice football coaches don’t act like they hope it will just go away until the pressure of bloggers and social media (and the hackers of Anonymous) pushes them to act.

    And all of these people cannot then carry on as though the one who caused the trouble was the sixteen-year-old girl who was raped—and who, according to testimony in the trial, has been dropped by her friends, ostracized, and put under every sort of pressure—and not the rapists.

    Read more: Life After the Steubenville Rape Trial: Are the Defendants’ Lives Really Over? : The New Yorker
    What does any of that have to do with my comment on broken homes?

    Nothing.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Read the Tweets from Steubenville..

    What a sick sorry little town.

    They need to go after Cody and the football coach.

    Disgusting.

    Text Messages that led to convictions in the Steubenville Rape Trial | Mobile Broadcast News

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