"And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."
Here's the thing - by saying you have to make decisions to make yourself "safer" you're taking the responsibility of the attack off of the rapists and onto the victim. Even if you aren't saying she deserved it, that's the kind of culture that statements like "she put herself at risk" propagates.
Further, she's among classmates. I don't think she decided at the start of the night that she was going to get blacked-out drunk and become unconscious; I sincerely doubt that she wanted to become so inebriated she was literally unable to function. She made the choice to get intoxicated among friends and classmates, and that's the only choice she made. By saying she didn't take precautions, you're disregarding that any choice made after that (to continue drinking well past the point of where you're making informed decisions) isn't a conscious choice that she probably stopped to think about.
Last edited by Velociraptor; 03-18-13 at 10:45 AM. Reason: wording
You're taking a risk leaving your door open. If you are robbed, I wouldn't say the robber is less guilty or that your careless behavior negates their criminal activity. They're still deserving of punishment for their illegal actions. Their decisions and your decisions are entirely separate until they come together to create the scenario in which you provide easy access and they take advantage of it. It doesn't de-victimize you in the slightest to point out that you created a situation in which their actions were made easier.
"Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton
PS where do you live? I don't lock my doors either, but I live in the boonies. And if someone wanted to break in, they could just smash a window without it being heard. But when I go into the city, I don't leave money sitting on my care seat, or my car doors unlocked
Honestly, the idea that people are taking offense to common sense practices, and seeing them as an attack on the victim, is about as absurd as you can get.
Most people can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Honestly, who ever wrote that needs to take a step back from sloppy theorizing and experience a bit of the real world
On one hand, you DO have the people who are placing equal blame on the victim, or are actively minimizing the blame on the others ("16 year old boys think with their penis") while going over the top in the condemnation of the girl in this case. On the other hand, you have the folks who basically scream "YOU'RE BLAMING THE VICTIM" if you even go so far as to even suggest that a poor choice was made on their behalf. Debates about this become so much like those of Abortion and some others, where most involved simply stereotype anyone into whatever extreme most closely sounds like the persons argument.
It's part of the issue with rape in this country. At one time it was way over the top horrible how people would blame the woman, focus on the woman, minimize the mans actions, etc. But that caused such a hyper sensitivity to it where you can't even bring up common sense type of statements into the equation without people acting like you're supporting the rapist.
If you get fall down black out drunk then that means you choose to take actions that placed you at a higher risk for something seriously bad to happen to you. You say that after someone gets mugged and people nod their hands. You say that after someone gets their keys stolen and people nod their heads. You say that after someone has their friend put a photo of them on facebook and it causes them to get fired and people nod their heads. You say that after someone gets raped and by god you were slapping the rapist on the back saying "Good job bro, get her again!".
To the story itself, the guys getting off with only that much is ridiculous. Sometimes that grey area age in the late teens causes some major problems in terms of punishment, and this seems to be one of them. One of the things that pisses me off so much when people start throwing around the "supporting the rapist" type of accusations is that there's few things I hate more than people who would do this kind of thing. They're the utter scum of the earth, and it's affected a number of folks close to me in my life. I won't shed a tear if that sex offender label causes them significant problems the rest of their lives...they'll still be getting off easy.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.