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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Low sentence times, Recidivism rates ignored, People willing to blame the female involved, and actually thinking that stupid comments like the recently stated that women victims of rape should urinate, or vomit on their attacker is what contributes to the culture doing little to address the underlying realities of rape.
    I do not know how much those actually contribute, but it is still an excellent point.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    They all walked themselves into this nonsense.

    Regardless, drunk teenage boys are nothing new and most manage to not defile passed out girls.

    Was a bit iffy on the rape aspect of this case with the actual incident. Details seem a bit hazy to prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt, though I haven't read about this case at length.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't think there's an overwhelming view that women are objects in everyday culture. As others pointed out, if that were true we'd have the same views on rape as underdeveloped middle eastern countries.

    But even if we created a society in which women are viewed as goddesses....we'd still have rape. And we'd still have an obligation to teach women how to avoid rapists. Because it isn't about women being an object...it's about women being vulnerable...it's about domination...it's about control. You have to humanize your victim to get the satisfaction a rapist seeks. Objectification really only comes into play when you get to the punishment phase.
    I am not saying that we wouldn't have rape, I am saying that situations like this would be less likely to happen and we need to stop victim-blaming, rather than actually holding people accountable for their actions. Getting passed out drunk is not a crime, it does not give anyone the excuse to rape people.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Equality of responsibility is what we need. It's not fair to hold males to a higher standard than females. Females want everything equal EXCEPT when it comes to responsibility. If a male smeared himself in blood and walked into a lions cage no one would blame the lion for attacking him, he would hold the resposibility for tempting fate and doing something stupid.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I am not saying that we wouldn't have rape, I am saying that situations like this would be less likely to happen and we need to stop victim-blaming, rather than actually holding people accountable for their actions. Getting passed out drunk is not a crime, it does not give anyone the excuse to rape people.
    Actually, at 16 it IS a crime.

    But that's not the point.

    Nor is anybody excusing the rape.

    People are very correctly saying that you have a responsibility to make decisions that protect you from risk of harm. She made bad decisions and put herself at risk. The result of her bad decisions and her risky behavior was becoming incapacitated, which allowed two pigs easy access to her person. Had she remained sober and made smart decisions she would have been more aware of her surroundings and less likely to end up a victim.

    It is absolutely asinine to excuse her bad behavior simply because she became a victim. If she'd never been raped nobody would balk about people advising her to cease such irresponsible and dangerous behavior, or even justifying their concern on the basis that she COULD have ended up a victim...but because she DID...it's unacceptable to call out her bad decisions?
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Actually, at 16 it IS a crime.

    But that's not the point.

    Nor is anybody excusing the rape.

    People are very correctly saying that you have a responsibility to make decisions that protect you from risk of harm. She made bad decisions and put herself at risk. The result of her bad decisions and her risky behavior was becoming incapacitated, which allowed two pigs easy access to her person. Had she remained sober and made smart decisions she would have been more aware of her surroundings and less likely to end up a victim.

    It is absolutely asinine to excuse her bad behavior simply because she became a victim. If she'd never been raped nobody would balk about people advising her to cease such irresponsible and dangerous behavior, or even justifying their concern on the basis that she COULD have ended up a victim...but because she DID...it's unacceptable to call out her bad decisions?
    Did she excercise poor judgement? Of course. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that she was raped. No one is excusing her bad behavior, they are condemning those who seem to want to use her mistakes as making her somehow complicit in her rape.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did she excercise poor judgement? Of course. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that she was raped. No one is excusing her bad behavior, they are condemning those who seem to want to use her mistakes as making her somehow complicit in her rape.
    Actually, quite a few people seem to think she shouldn't have to behave responsibly in order to be safe (a lovely sentiment, but completely impractical). They've said it in this thread. So they ARE excusing her behavior, and her behavior is certainly part of the issue here. Most of the people pointing out that women have an obligation to keep themselves safe from potential victimization are not doing so in an effort to excuse or minimize the responsibility of the assholes who raped her. Nor are they doing it because they think she's responsible for actually being raped. They're pointing it out because it is absolutely horrible that she was raped; especially when it's very likely the situation could have been avoided entirely if better judgment had prevailed (from all parties, to be fair).

    That some people would actually want us to stop telling women to protect themselves (which has been suggested by some in this thread) is an issue that needs to be addressed...and it's directly related to this case.

    People who become victims through their own careless actions are partially responsible for their victimization. That doesn't mean they DESERVED it, or that the person who victimized them should "get off easy". Nor does it mean that we should dismiss the fact that they were victimized, or view their victimization any differently than that of somebody who exercised better judgment. But it does her and future victims a huge disservice to ignore the elephant in the room in order to "protect" the victim.

    I don't blame the girl for being raped. I blame her for making herself vulnerable to becoming a victim.

    If this case were about a guy who left his front door open, only to be robbed, nobody would be saying we can't blame him for putting himself at risk of robbery. But because this is a case about a crime that's as much physical as emotional...we've got to ignore reality? Nobody deserves to become a victim of crime, I'll say that again. But it does absolutely no good to ignore the blatant mistakes made by the victim that increased their likelihood of becoming one.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Actually, quite a few people seem to think she shouldn't have to behave responsibly in order to be safe (a lovely sentiment, but completely impractical). They've said it in this thread. So they ARE excusing her behavior, and her behavior is certainly part of the issue here. Most of the people pointing out that women have an obligation to keep themselves safe from potential victimization are not doing so in an effort to excuse or minimize the responsibility of the assholes who raped her. Nor are they doing it because they think she's responsible for actually being raped. They're pointing it out because it is absolutely horrible that she was raped; especially when it's very likely the situation could have been avoided entirely if better judgment had prevailed (from all parties, to be fair).

    That some people would actually want us to stop telling women to protect themselves (which has been suggested by some in this thread) is an issue that needs to be addressed...and it's directly related to this case.

    People who become victims through their own careless actions are partially responsible for their victimization. That doesn't mean they DESERVED it, or that the person who victimized them should "get off easy". Nor does it mean that we should dismiss the fact that they were victimized, or view their victimization any differently than that of somebody who exercised better judgment. But it does her and future victims a huge disservice to ignore the elephant in the room in order to "protect" the victim.

    I don't blame the girl for being raped. I blame her for making herself vulnerable to becoming a victim.

    If this case were about a guy who left his front door open, only to be robbed, nobody would be saying we can't blame him for putting himself at risk of robbery. But because this is a case about a crime that's as much physical as emotional...we've got to ignore reality? Nobody deserves to become a victim of crime, I'll say that again. But it does absolutely no good to ignore the blatant mistakes made by the victim that increased their likelihood of becoming one.
    She should not have to act intelligently to be safe in this regard. It should be a valid assumption that if you get drunk, your classmates will not rape you. You are blaming the victim. They are unrelated. She made mistakes. Those mistakes did not cause her to be raped.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She should not have to act intelligently to be safe in this regard. It should be a valid assumption that if you get drunk, your classmates will not rape you. You are blaming the victim. They are unrelated. She made mistakes. Those mistakes did not cause her to be raped.
    No, those mistakes put her at risk of becoming a victim. And she most certainly has a responsibility to make decisions that do NOT put her at risk.

    It should be a valid assumption that if you get fall-down drunk you are at risk of any number of dangers...from alcohol poisoning, to drowning in your own vomit, to getting into a car w/a drunk driver, to serious injury, to rape.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I am not talking about the culture in your town, I am talking about American culture.
    and general american culture hardly condones rape. Maybe off shoots like thug culture and the frat house, but main stream america? No

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