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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    That is no different than simply handing over the streets of our cities to violent gangs and just telling tourists not to go there.
    No, it's recognizing that you can't control and sanitize everything


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    This has largely happened in this country because no one has the guts to do what needs to be done. If we do as you suggest, and go that route with rape, then we'll be no better than India with hordes of rapists roaming the streets and raping women in broad daylight in public.
    The point being expressed here is that the people should be punished to the extent of the law, and possibly even beyond it, and that the girl should have been more intelligent in her actions.

    The attitude in India is that it isn't a really big deal

    these do not =/=

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    You can't put yourself in a situation to be raped.
    Hey, bro, I'm sure if you're willing to put this theory to the test, we can take a collection up to send you out to the Congo. Hell, we could probably just put you in a skirt, start calling you meat-ass, and get you a short stint in state prison

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    I do not like this. Three teens get rip roaring drunk. Those boys were wrong yet are they really rapists if a teen female their age gets plastered out of her minds and leaves with them holding hands? Were they drunk as well?

    No doubt they were in the wrong yet ... if you get inebriated and naked around inebriated teen boys there is no good outcome.

    I feel for everyone involved. Those boys should be in JV detention and educated and so should the girl!

    Okay ... kill me people.

    There were no reliable witnesses as they were all drunk ... before she drank herself to a comatose state ...did she say or do anything that led them to believe she was consenting to touching.

    The electronic age and kids sext ... including the girl.

    I have a teen son and had to educate him because teen girls often sent pictures of themselves nude. I told him to never respond to them as he would get in trouble and not the girl.

    They were all drunk and there are no witnesses to declare those boys were rapists beyond a shadow of a doubt that in her inebriated state before she drank herself to semi comatose that she did not act out sexually herself.

    Shame on all of them and ... however since they do not know ... why are the boys being tagged with convicted felonies and rape charges when no one knows what happened.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The point being expressed here is that the people should be punished to the extent of the law, and possibly even beyond it, and that the girl should have been more intelligent in her actions. The attitude in India is that it isn't a really big deal
    The prevailing attitude in India is that it is always the woman's fault; the woman did or wore something that invited men to rape her. That is why rapes are rarely ever reported and, in their society, it brings shame to the victim and their family. By any real moral standard, there are no actions which invite rape though you and others seem to be saying otherwise.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No one is trying to restrict what anyone does. We're just pointing out that people need to be aware of their surroundings and take basic steps to protect themselves. Like I do when I lock my car or home
    Maybe you missed the part about where she is 16 years old. She wasn't an adult and she wasn't thinking like an adult. She also stated that she believed one of boys who raped her would watch out for her if she drank too much.










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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    ... And you obviously know nothing of Sharia, since it has some of the harshest penalties for capital crimes; rape carries an automatic death sentence.
    Yeah, it does carry an automatic death sentence... for the victims.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The prevailing attitude in India is that it is always the woman's fault; the woman did or wore something that invited men to rape her. That is why rapes are rarely ever reported and, in their society, it brings shame to the victim and their family. By any real moral standard, there are no actions which invite rape though you and others seem to be saying otherwise.
    I spent a little over 2 years cycling in India. I know what the attitude towards women is like and sexually assaulting a woman is just not seen as a big deal

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Oil View Post
    You of course missed the entire point. I'll try to explain it so that even a retarded monkey on crack should be able to understand it... If the roles were reversed and a girl had put her hands down a drunken passed out boys pants and handled his junk, would we be having this conversation?
    If the girl was stupid enough to film herself sexually assaulting an unconscious male, then brag all over the school after it had been uploaded online, then yes, we'd be having this conversation.

    If she had gone as far as these boys did, stripping her victim naked, taking naked pictures of the victim and distributing them online, then using her fingers to penatrate his body... also while laughing for the camera... we'd also be having this conversation...

    ...BUT I can guarantee it wouldn't be about how the boy should have protected himself by not getting drunk, because once he's unconscious and vulnerable, girls will be girls.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Maybe you missed the part about where she is 16 years old. She wasn't an adult and she wasn't thinking like an adult. She also stated that she believed one of boys who raped her would watch out for her if she drank too much.
    What part am I missing? I have been rather clear assaulting her in any form wasn't justified.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I've already pointed out these sex offender registration requirements apply to juveniles. The requirements for adults, with the exception of Tier III, are an additional 5 years for each tier. Do you need a link?
    I could care less... There is no such thing as "law" these days..... only statutes...

    You can thank lawyers for the lack of standards and their precedence...

    Those kids will never be in a sex offender database after they're 18....

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    She isn't guilty for getting raped. How about instead of telling women that they need to do X, Y, and Z to not get raped, we just tell men to not rape women?
    Funny that my soc class is doing a unit on group-think right now. You can't just issue a statement "don't rape women" and expect that to stop the mob of drunk undisciplined local celebrities free of adult supervision or consequence zombies.

    It doesn't work that way. The group will set aside moral judgement and standards, so asserting moral judgement and standards will only get you villanised and psychically assaulted just for voicing a contrary opinion. Worse if you act on it. In a way it's a blessing to this girl that she was unconscious, because if she resisted the mob likely would have beaten or killed her on top of it all.

    You have to undermine the group:
    • There needs to be parental authority in their lives.
    • The celebrity status in the town for being an athlete needs to be taken down several notches.
    • The town needs more exposure to the rest of the world.


    Fortunantly, this conviction serves to undermine the group-think by highlighting their faults and adding consequence.

    But you can't just tell a group to not do a crime and expect that they will obey.
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