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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I believe the technical term is "rape". Which is the serious, violent felony committed here by several young men who believed they were above the law.
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

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    Women should be able to do or act however they choose, even stupidly, without the fear of molestation.
    and I want it to rain gumdrops.


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    We shouldn't simply accept that rapists exist; we should be stamping them out altogether.
    this is like saying we should eradicate murder: while the notion is something everyone would likely support in intellectual terms, you're always going to be stuck with things like rape and murder. The Best you can do is work to minimize them

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

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    and I want it to rain gumdrops.
    Are you saying my prayers will go unanswered??

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    She isn't guilty for getting raped. How about instead of telling women that they need to do X, Y, and Z to not get raped, we just tell men to not rape women?
    Because if we want to minimize rape we not only need to make it understood by men that it's not acceptable but make women aware of what they need to do to keep themselves safe.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    this is like saying we should eradicate murder: while the notion is something everyone would likely support in intellectual terms, you're always going to be stuck with things like rape and murder. The Best you can do is work to minimize them
    What I'm saying is that you can minimize it without restricting what women can/should wear, consume, or do. You can't attack the problem by telling women not to wear miniskirts or drink copious amounts of alcohol and, unfortunately, we have a justice system which favors the accused/guilty more than the victims and their families.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    What I'm saying is that you can minimize it without restricting what women can/should wear, consume, or do. You can't attack the problem by telling women not to wear miniskirts or drink copious amounts of alcohol and, unfortunately, we have a justice system which favors the accused/guilty more than the victims and their families.
    If you refuse to tell people how they can keep themselves safe than you are not helping them in making good choices to avoid situations like what happened to this young girl.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    What I'm saying is that you can minimize it without restricting what women can/should wear, consume, or do.
    No one is trying to restrict what anyone does. We're just pointing out that people need to be aware of their surroundings and take basic steps to protect themselves. Like I do when I lock my car or home

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Women should be able to do or act however they choose, even stupidly, without the fear of molestation.
    That is a great opinion, but it doesn't work that way in reality. It is also never going to happen. laws are not there to stop people from breaking the law, they merely punish those that do. because of the rape this girl will spend the rest of her life with that memories of waking up to the reality she put herself in. She is probably blessed by her blackout so she won't have to remember actually being violated. No matter how much you punish the boys that experience will not ever go away. I would also imagine she spends a lot of time wishing she had done something different because that is an experience no one wants. You are hoping rapists just vanish, and i see no way to get that to happen or any indication it ever will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This isn't the stone age in which some neanderthal bashes a woman over the head with a rock, hauls her back to his cave, and has his way with her while everyone else just shrugs their shoulders.
    Nope, today they use drugs and immortalize the moment with digital pictures on their iphones.
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    That is not what a civilized society should do.
    That is a nice opinion, but reality is not altered by your objections to it. people do those sorts of things. they are not going to stop.

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    These boys and their cohorts clearly had zero moral standards and some of the witnesses didn't even know what rape was.
    they have different moral values, and of course they knew what rape was.
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    We shouldn't simply accept that rapists exist; we should be stamping them out altogether.
    yeah, that is like trying to stamp out roaches. We do it, and we try to do our best at it, but there will always be roaches, so don't leave your food out on the table or you get roach crap in it. take some damned responsibility for yourself in a world that is not made on should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    In other words, you need some road signs, a guard rail, or even a wall for that hairpin of yours so people don't shrug their shoulders at another senseless tragedy.
    There are road signs, a lower speed limit, and a guard rail kills just as well. Despite all of those things people will still speed, especially kids. feel free to walk around pretending this is the good ship lollipop and everyone is going to do what you think they should do. You know what that will make you? An easy victim. I can give some sympathy to some people who act safe and still get hurt by someone else, but when you contribute to the ease of your own rape by drugging yourself I have a lot less sympathy for you. I still am for tossing the book at the rapist, but she screwed up and got hurt for it. Some people are lucky, they screw up and have a close call or no problem and go on with life. Some people get raped when they screw up. All the should bes in the world won't change the reality for those who get raped. but feel free to go find that one out for yourself. Some people don't learn without a good hard hit in life.

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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you refuse to tell people how they can keep themselves safe than you are not helping them in making good choices to avoid situations like what happened to this young girl.
    That is no different than simply handing over the streets of our cities to violent gangs and just telling tourists not to go there. This has largely happened in this country because no one has the guts to do what needs to be done. If we do as you suggest, and go that route with rape, then we'll be no better than India with hordes of rapists roaming the streets and raping women in broad daylight in public. You can't put yourself in a situation to be raped. There is no reasonable expectation of being raped as a result of x action. Its not like you can throw on a miniskirt, down a shot, and say "I have an 80% chance of being raped today." If it could be shown that rapists tend to target brunettes would you reccommend that all brunettes dye their hair?
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    Re: Steubenville High School football players found guilty of raping 16-year-old girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Can you cite a case of anyone spontaneously giving handjobs while unconscious?
    You of course missed the entire point. I'll try to explain it so that even a retarded monkey on crack should be able to understand it... If the roles were reversed and a girl had put her hands down a drunken passed out boys pants and handled his junk, would we be having this conversation?

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