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Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

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When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?

Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has said that people who were abused as children and became paedophiles were not criminally responsible for their actions in the same way as somebody "who chooses to do something like that".

Cardinal Napier, who was among the 115 cardinals in the conclave at the Vatican that elected Pope Francis earlier this week, called paedophilia a "psychological disorder" on told BBC Radio 5 live.

He said: "What do you do with disorders? You have got to try and put them right. If I as a normal being choose to break the law knowing that I am breaking the law, then I think I need to be punished.

"From my experience paedophilia is actually an illness, it is not a criminal condition, it is an illness."


Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.
 
Did you really expect much of a change in church policy? It does show some balls to think that they get to be police, judge, and jury in these situations, and i guess doctor too. If it is a psychological disorder they can get help while serving their prison sentence. it is not up to the vatican to cover things up and hide evidence, which would be a crime for most people. But i guess when you become god's vessel on earth even riding the bus cannot help your lack of any humility.
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.

Technically he is partially right.Pedophilia desires itself is not criminal.Its when you choose to act on those desires and then its criminal. However Napier if full of ****,someone does choose to molest kids.No one puts a gun to their head forcing them to molest kids.It doesn't matter if they themselves were molested as kids
 
An atheist/homosexual Catholic Church attack thread!!!

What a novel idea.
 
An atheist/homosexual Catholic Church attack thread!!!

What a novel idea.

What the **** does this have to do with either atheists or homosexuals?

Are many pedophiles molested as children themselves? Seems unlikely but I really don't k ow for sure.
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.


It is not just the church, it is society as a whole. Being responsible for ones action and being held accountable for that action is a thing of the past. I hear it all the time, it was the environment he was brought up in, it was being abused as a child and on and on. Even little kids going to school are taught it is not their fault, it is always someone else's fault. So this just falls into a long line of it's not my fault routine. I am not responsible. So why do you think the church should be any different?
 
What exactly defines "An atheist/homosexual Catholic Church attack"?
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.

I think there is so much more that needs to be understood about paedophilia, let alone many other mental disorders. I don't think the Cardinal was opining that the act itself is not a crime, but more that the paedophile cannot control his/her instinct to be sexually aroused by children. And from what I know, the latter is close to the truth, I think.
 
It is not just the church, it is society as a whole. Being responsible for ones action and being held accountable for that action is a thing of the past. I hear it all the time, it was the environment he was brought up in, it was being abused as a child and on and on. Even little kids going to school are taught it is not their fault, it is always someone else's fault. So this just falls into a long line of it's not my fault routine. I am not responsible. So why do you think the church should be any different?

It's not as if child molesting priests are a thing of this century. Children were regularly abused back in the 1500, 1600s, 1700s too. It just didn't get public view of was publicly acknowledged. It was just "life".
 
An atheist/homosexual Catholic Church attack thread!!!

What a novel idea.

This thread has nothing to do with that.Its about a priest who in many peoples opinion is making excuses for child molesters.
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.

Easy analysis here. While they were busy judging others, their closets opened, and their skeletons fell out.
 
This thread has nothing to do with that.Its about a priest who in many peoples opinion is making excuses for child molesters.

Now you did it. He's going to think you are a leftist atheist homosexual now. :mrgreen:
 
Yeah, pedophilia isn't a crime, but child molestation is. I figure some people become pedophiles as a result of life experiences, such as being molested themselves at a young age, and some people may even be born "wired" that way.

Frankly, I feel sorry for pedophiles. I can't imagine what kind of hell it must be to live with those kind of urges. Don't get me wrong, the moment they act on those urges they lose my sympathy.

Medical help should be free and readily available to pedophiles who seek assistance in controlling their urges. And we shouldn't judge people who actually take the proactive measures to seek treatment.

But once you have shown you are willing to molest children you MUST be removed from society.
 
It is not just the church, it is society as a whole. Being responsible for ones action and being held accountable for that action is a thing of the past. I hear it all the time, it was the environment he was brought up in, it was being abused as a child and on and on. Even little kids going to school are taught it is not their fault, it is always someone else's fault. So this just falls into a long line of it's not my fault routine. I am not responsible. So why do you think the church should be any different?

LOL! Ahhh, here's a wild guess. If the Church is shucking and jiving as much you claim everyone else is, what's the point of Church?
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.

His weak attempt to parse paedophilia into greater and lesser classifications is adequately creepy.
 
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His weak attempt to parse paedophilia into greater and lesser classifications is adequately creepy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pope. I'm an American and I believe it's morally wrong to participate into elevating a human being to a social status above other humans, and I'm a Protestant and I believe it's morally wrong to participate in elevating a person to spiritual status above other humans. But he is right about this and you are wrong. It is a fact that Pedophilia is an incurable medical condition, not a crime. Pedophilia isn't ever a person's action, and only person's actions can be crimes. Sexual attraction is a chemical reaction, not a choice. Choices can be wrong but chemical reactions are just science. (Not that the Pope wouldn't throw science in Prison if he could, But then I'm no fan of the Pope anyway.) Child Molestation is not a medical condition. Child Molestation is a crime. It's always a crime because it's always an action which hurts another person. There are varying degrees to which it is wrong because there are e varying degrees to which it hurts another person. Raping a child is more wrong than sexually fondling a child. You're creepy if you don't agree with the Pope that there are varying degrees. It would take a creepy person to see sexually fondling a child as being no different than raping a child. The Pope is right and you're wrong. Looking at live-action video or still photographs of Child Pornography is less wrong than raping a child. It's still wrong, and it's still a crime. Looking at it, creates a market demand for raping or sexually fondling a child. But it takes more than one customer to create enough demand to cause a child to be raped or sexually fondled, so it's less wrong than raping a child. .Looking at Live-Action or Photograph-stills of Child Pornography is therefore equally wrong as sexually fondling a child. Looking at animations and drawings depicting Child Molestation is wrong. It's wrong because it creates a market demand for Live-Action and Photograph Stills of Raping or sexually fondling a child. It takes more than one customer of animation or drawings of raping or sexually fondling a child, to create a demand for Live-Action and Photograph Stills of Raping or sexually fondling a child. So it's less wrong than Looking at Live-action video of Raping or sexually fondling a child, and it's less wrong than sexually fondling a child. Don't get me wrong, I recommend the death penalty for all of the above, including Pedophilia. Maybe the Pope does too, have you asked him? Or were you too busy mentally exaggerating his true statements, into him cheering for hurting children? Killing all Pedophiles would prevent all Child Rape and Child Sexual fondling. Killing in self-defense is okay, and to quote Michael Jackson (Ironic?) We Are The Children. There is no self-defense truer than that of killing all Pedophiles. Pedophilia isn't a crime and it isn't wrong, we just should kill them all, that's all.
 
When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?




Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.


Exactly. This is way beyond rationalizing. This is twisted and contorted justification.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pope. I'm an American and I believe it's morally wrong to participate into elevating a human being to a social status above other humans, and I'm a Protestant and I believe it's morally wrong to participate in elevating a person to spiritual status above other humans. But he is right about this and you are wrong. It is a fact that Pedophilia is an incurable medical condition, not a crime. Pedophilia isn't ever a person's action, and only person's actions can be crimes. Sexual attraction is a chemical reaction, not a choice. Choices can be wrong but chemical reactions are just science. (Not that the Pope wouldn't throw science in Prison if he could, But then I'm no fan of the Pope anyway.) Child Molestation is not a medical condition. Child Molestation is a crime. It's always a crime because it's always an action which hurts another person. There are varying degrees to which it is wrong because there are e varying degrees to which it hurts another person. Raping a child is more wrong than sexually fondling a child. You're creepy if you don't agree with the Pope that there are varying degrees. It would take a creepy person to see sexually fondling a child as being no different than raping a child. The Pope is right and you're wrong. Looking at live-action video or still photographs of Child Pornography is less wrong than raping a child. It's still wrong, and it's still a crime. Looking at it, creates a market demand for raping or sexually fondling a child. But it takes more than one customer to create enough demand to cause a child to be raped or sexually fondled, so it's less wrong than raping a child. .Looking at Live-Action or Photograph-stills of Child Pornography is therefore equally wrong as sexually fondling a child. Looking at animations and drawings depicting Child Molestation is wrong. It's wrong because it creates a market demand for Live-Action and Photograph Stills of Raping or sexually fondling a child. It takes more than one customer of animation or drawings of raping or sexually fondling a child, to create a demand for Live-Action and Photograph Stills of Raping or sexually fondling a child. So it's less wrong than Looking at Live-action video of Raping or sexually fondling a child, and it's less wrong than sexually fondling a child. Don't get me wrong, I recommend the death penalty for all of the above, including Pedophilia. Maybe the Pope does too, have you asked him? Or were you too busy mentally exaggerating his true statements, into him cheering for hurting children? Killing all Pedophiles would prevent all Child Rape and Child Sexual fondling. Killing in self-defense is okay, and to quote Michael Jackson (Ironic?) We Are The Children. There is no self-defense truer than that of killing all Pedophiles. Pedophilia isn't a crime and it isn't wrong, we just should kill them all, that's all.

Solid wall of text makes baby Jesus cry.
 
Solid wall of text makes baby Jesus cry.

He's not a baby, he's been an adult for 2,028 years (he was 33 at the edge between B.C. and A.D.) Adults can man-up and read the wall of text.
 
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