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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's called "binary thinking", and the rightwing is immersed in it
    That seems too much of a concrete statement to be accurate. Would you like to edit that before someone contradicts it?
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

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    So you think the Catholic church should get a pass on the subject of child molestation? How would you suggest it be addressed so as to not offend your tender sensibilities?
    No, and I don't think they have...The church has lost a lot in terms of membership, credibility, and trust. Pope Benidict did some good things to move toward resolution, and I am hoping that Pope Francis will likewise move toward reforms that further address this for the future. But, there are many who see any mention of the Church as an opening to bash, mock, and deride not only the Church, but its members. How long before they can put this dark chapter behind them?
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    Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's called "binary thinking", and the rightwing is immersed in it
    Ok I think you have had enough time. So. Where to start?

    Well let's start with the irony of you saying the RIGHT is immersed in binary thinking. I wonder if you are aware of the irony in that comment?

    I am also curious if you think that the left is absent of binary thinking? I could agree. Binary thinking is fundamental in how the human mind operates. If the left doesn't have it...well...it could explain the lack of moral constructs.

    Of course I don't actually believe that the left lacks it. I'm dating a democrat. She has moral constructs. Many of my college friends had them, a close friend and roommate had them and he is going to be a lawyer. It is an important concept in the legal profession. So really one must possess some binary thinking to function as a human. So it obviously exists in the left as well.

    Well. Here is the fun part and I will address your irony now too. How can a left wing exist with binary thinking? How can you have democrat politicians without republican politicians? How can you believe something is right or wrong? Do you see? To comprehend a political position on the left you agree with that position. If that position is in opposition to a right wing position...well you disagree and boom...you have binary thought. Eventually your brain requires binary thinking to define something. Especially something political on a political debate website.

    Irony is funny huh?
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Well. Here is the fun part and I will address your irony now. How can a left wing exist with binary thinking? How can you have democrat politicians without republican? How can you believe something is right or wrong? Do you see? To comprehend a political position on the left you agree with that position. If that position is in opposition to a right wing position...well you disagree and boom...you have binary thought. Eventually your brain requires binary thinking to define something. Especially something political on a political debate website.

    Irony is funny huh?
    It's obvious that you don't understand what binary thinking is.

    It is profoundly different that merely choosing between one position or another. Ironically (since you seem to be such a fan of irony), your belief that the only choice one has is a choice between the rightwing one and the leftwing one (or the dem one and the repub one) is a classic example of binary thinking. IOW, your post does nothing but support my claim that the right is immersed in binary thinking.

    So "Yeah, irony *is* funny"
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    Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's obvious that you don't understand what binary thinking is.

    It is profoundly different that merely choosing between one position or another. Ironically (since you seem to be such a fan of irony), your belief that the only choice one has is a choice between the rightwing one and the leftwing one (or the dem one and the repub one) is a classic example of binary thinking. IOW, your post does nothing but support my claim that the right is immersed in binary thinking.

    So "Yeah, irony *is* funny"
    I think I grasp it pretty well. One can choose a variety of positions on the political spectrum. But that really isn't where the binary thinking comes into play now is it? So how does it work?

    It comes into play on the issue to issue basis. You either accept a premise as right or wrong. That is binary. It may take literally a dozen or more computations of "right and wrong" to define a gray area, but that is how binary works. How do you think computers work? So let's break this down even more.

    You use binary thought when thinking "left" or "right" or "up and down" or "good and bad." Some of these are polar opposites but they have a middle right? So let's take up and down. What if it is in the middle. Neither up nor down? How is that binary?

    A middle by definition does not have an opposite. Your position is premised on that concept. Middle does not have an opposite. So how can that be binary?

    Well. Middle does have an opposite. "Not middle," or an "extreme or limit." So it is not up nor is it down. You used binary thinking. You used your concept of up and down...and a binary process...to define the middle. The middle is not up. The middle is not down. The middle is the middle. 001

    So. Binary thought is more basic than "political" spectrum. It is "left vs right" and how the human mind works. Check out a dictionary for a middle ground definition. Again. I get it. Read a little more on it before you use it again.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I think I grasp it pretty well. One can choose a variety of positions on the political spectrum. But that really isn't where the binary thinking comes into play now is it? So how does it work?
    And yet, in your prior post, you described only two positions (either dem or repub, or right or left)

    It comes into play on the issue to issue basis. You either accept a premise as right or wrong. That is binary. It may take literally a dozen or more computations of "right and wrong" to define a gray area, but that is how binary works. How do you think computers work? So let's break this down even more.
    And again you demonstrate the binary thinking of the right. On any issue, there are a variety of responses, and one is never required to decide that one position is "right" or "wrong". Instead, one can decide "better" or "worse", which is something that binary thinkers are incapable of.


    You use binary thought when thinking "left" or "right" or "up and down" or "good and bad." Some of these are polar opposites but they have a middle right? So let's take up and down. What if it is in the middle. Neither up nor down? How is that binary?
    That would not be binary. However, it contradicts your own claims that there is a good position and a bad position.

    IOW, once again you have demonstrated that you don't understand what "binary thinking" means, and that you engage in it.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet, in your prior post, you described only two positions (either dem or repub, or right or left)
    Um. I described them as EXISTING. Does implying that these positions exist mean they are the ONLY positions that can exist politically? No. I don't recall EVER saying that. When I said, "left and right" I meant...< and > in DIRECTIONAL sense. Not politically. I see your confusion. Maybe that ought to clear it up?

    And again you demonstrate the binary thinking of the right. On any issue, there are a variety of responses, and one is never required to decide that one position is "right" or "wrong". Instead, one can decide "better" or "worse", which is something that binary thinkers are incapable of.
    LMAO!!! You don't get it do you? Binary exists at a MUCH more base level than "better or WORSE." Do you NOT understand what a premise is? To come to a position that something is "better" or "worse" you must first understand the argument. There are literally hundreds of premises that may be involved in coming to a conclusion that something is better or worse in ranking something. Why is XYZ better than XYZA? I reject A...therefore XYZ is better than A. You have a hundred different reasons to RANK something as better or worse. When it comes down to it...it MUST be broken down into why 1 thing is better than another. That is BINARY. It is broken into ACCEPT or REJECT.

    NOW...does that mean that YOUR view of ACCEPT or REJECT is the SAME as my ACCEPT or REJECT? No. The binary system for acceptance or rejection is different between us. The A of XYZA may actually be POSITIVE for me...and be NEGATIVE for you. Are you following yet? The human brain is very similar to a computer...only it operates considerably faster and can make these "binary" calculations hundreds of times faster.

    That would not be binary. However, it contradicts your own claims that there is a good position and a bad position.
    Good and bad may in fact be defined in a ranking system that required a binary process as bad thing A is less than bad thing B and it is still even LESS bad than C so... A<B<C...A<C...B<C...C>A...and so on. All of these calculations can be done in a BINARY process. If they could not...computers could not run...as they ALL operate on a binary system.

    You coming to the conclusion that I am WRONG about binary thinking...means that you are taking a position that is the OPPOSITE of mine. Do you agree or disagree?
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Um. I described them as EXISTING. Does implying that these positions exist mean they are the ONLY positions that can exist politically? No. I don't recall EVER saying that. When I said, "left and right" I meant...< and > in DIRECTIONAL sense. Not politically. I see your confusion. Maybe that ought to clear it up?
    Actually, you did more that describe them as existing, but I don't blame you for running away from your ridiculous claims. And you most certainly did describe the left and right positions as being in opposition, but I won't dismiss the possibility that you don't realize the meaning of the words you've used.



    LMAO!!! You don't get it do you? Binary exists at a MUCH more base level than "better or WORSE." Do you NOT understand what a premise is? To come to a position that something is "better" or "worse" you must first understand the argument. There are literally hundreds of premises that may be involved in coming to a conclusion that something is better or worse in ranking something. Why is XYZ better than XYZA? I reject A...therefore XYZ is better than A. You have a hundred different reasons to RANK something as better or worse. When it comes down to it...it MUST be broken down into why 1 thing is better than another. That is BINARY. It is broken into ACCEPT or REJECT.
    Once again you demonstrate your lack of understanding about what binary thinking is. It is not "breaking things down and judging one thing better than another". That is "reductionist thinking", not "binary thinking"

    NOW...does that mean that YOUR view of ACCEPT or REJECT is the SAME as my ACCEPT or REJECT? No. The binary system for acceptance or rejection is different between us. The A of XYZA may actually be POSITIVE for me...and be NEGATIVE for you. Are you following yet? The human brain is very similar to a computer...only it operates considerably faster and can make these "binary" calculations hundreds of times faster.
    Again, binary thinking isn't about judgement. It's about a misperception of the available choices.

    Good and bad may in fact be defined in a ranking system that required a binary process as bad thing A is less than bad thing B and it is still even LESS bad than C so... A<B<C...A<C...B<C...C>A...and so on. All of these calculations can be done in a BINARY process. If they could not...computers could not run...as they ALL operate on a binary system.

    You coming to the conclusion that I am WRONG about binary thinking...means that you are taking a position that is the OPPOSITE of mine. Do you agree or disagree?
    You are confusing reductionism with binary thinking.

    Here's a hint: binary thinking is sometimes referred to as "black and white thinking"
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Stones at glass houses

    When did Pope Francis state he was cool with Pedophilia? Anyone want to provide a source for that? Thanks

    Mark Thompson: From Pedophile Cover-Up to the New York Times

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