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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Going thru the thread, I see that some posters seem to think that I was posting about words that came from the man who is now Pope - others noted that they are two different people.

    The comment about Africa having a high incidence of child abuse. Such cases may be related to societal differences, that is standards of what we call Western civilisation are not those of the tribal societies and groupings that still exist in much of Africa, the Middle East and Far East. What we call child abuse today would often not have been seen as illegal 150 years past in England and America. It was only in the 1880s-90s that the "age of consent" was raised to twelve.

    While the vast majority of priests within the Holy Roman Catholic Church are good people who do much for their communities, the Church's problem today is a direct result of 'higher-ups', the cardinals, archbishops and bishops, who believed that covering up the sins of a few within their ranks was better for the Church than admitting there were problems. As is rather obvious from the words of the African Cardinal, there are many of those in charge today who continue to feel the same way.

    The attempts to cover up the sins of priests and others within the church hierarchy continue today but governments even in those nations where the Church was once considered a branch of government are fed up and taking action.

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's not as if child molesting priests are a thing of this century. Children were regularly abused back in the 1500, 1600s, 1700s too. It just didn't get public view of was publicly acknowledged. It was just "life".
    while I was traveling in India, there was a big brew-ha over this high ranking hindu priest getting caught up in a molestation scandal. So it isn't something unique to catholocism.

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    while I was traveling in India, there was a big brew-ha over this high ranking hindu priest getting caught up in a molestation scandal. So it isn't something unique to catholocism.
    You are correct; however, the problem for the Catholic Church is due directly to the coverups carried out by the leaders of the Church. In most other cases of religious child abuse the perpetrator is handed over to the authorities, in the Church they were often sent to other parishes to continue their predation on children. It's the coverups more than the crimes that has caused so many to leave the Church.

    The crimes were committed by a tiny number of really ****ed up people but the coverups were orchestrated in the highest levels of the Church.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In most other cases of religious child abuse the perpetrator is handed over to the authorities, in the Church they were often sent to other parishes to continue their predation on children.
    What are you basing that on? From what I recall, the abuse allegations were going on for years in the case I cited above, but no actiona was taken

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What are you basing that on? From what I recall, the abuse allegations were going on for years in the case I cited above, but no actiona was taken

    please note the qualifier "most" in my earlier post.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    please note the qualifier "most" in my earlier post.
    But that still begs the question: what are you basing that on

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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    while I was traveling in India, there was a big brew-ha over this high ranking hindu priest getting caught up in a molestation scandal. So it isn't something unique to catholocism.
    I think the problem is mostly that this is institutionally hush-hushed. It's not as if this is some small church in Mexico committing the molestation and it being hushed by the local priests, there is involvement from higher-ups in the organization. Pointing out that the last pope himself was well aware of the issue and in his position did absolutely nothing to attack the issue. It was more important to instead focus on the sinners who use condoms.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    When those in charge have covered up crimes time and time again, when those in charge refuse to accept that actions of some of their members are criminal - what should governments do?

    Denying reality is not the way for the Church to move forward.
    Unbelievable. Personally, I think pedophilia is a sexual orientation. But it doesn't make any difference what you call it. It's criminal behavior.

    PS to the Cardinal: There's no such thing as a "criminal condition." WTF is that?? Is robbery a criminal condition? Is murder a criminal condition? What an idiotic statement.
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    Re: Cardinal says paedophilia 'not a criminal condition'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the problem is mostly that this is institutionally hush-hushed. It's not as if this is some small church in Mexico committing the molestation and it being hushed by the local priests, there is involvement from higher-ups in the organization. Pointing out that the last pope himself was well aware of the issue and in his position did absolutely nothing to attack the issue. It was more important to instead focus on the sinners who use condoms.
    No doubt, but that seems to be well worn territory for any type of close-nit bureaucracy. ****, just look at the sandusky affair, and that only involved football.

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