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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Cool. Yeah, the US has this thing about diesel passenger vehicles. The older models a few decades ago were pretty stinky (everyone hated being behind them). That rep has held.
    Sadly I have to say that one of the biggest mistakes was not putting diesel under the EPA gun to control emissions far sooner. As a result, the technology lagged far behind the gassers for too long. But, they are doing a hell of a job playing catch-up today (and surpassing in many areas). What John Q. does not appreciate is that unlike SI (spark ignition = gassers for the non-automotive types) CI engines using the diesel cycle are truly multi-fuel engines, and unlike very limited tech (such as electric) can accommodate all kinds of alternatives without the need to invest trillions of dollars we don't have in new infrastructure. The waste veg oil cars are a perfect example.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I asked if you would like to increase the technical nature of this debate.

    You quoted links, and someone else's work.

    It's clear your personal knowledge of the principles of the creation, storage and distribution of electricity are limited to a quick Google search. Reading or listening to the ignorant explain how great green or renewable energy is like getting a lesson in Mathematics from a Chimpanzee.

    Honestly, your level of understanding is based on a political ideology, and that's the problem with "green energy", the ignorant are the one's who push for it's very inefficient and NOT so green development.


    Here, this should be easy for you.

    What's the sinusoidal characteristics of output of your typical VFD and how does it's manipulation contribute to motor efficiency ?

    Another easy one, what's the the phase angle for a power factor of 1.0 and what influence does capacitance or inductance or both have on the power quality of a grid ? Explain in detail the effect of reactance on power generation, explain what is and the effect of non-linear loads and explain how to offset the effects of any of these if they are indeed detrimental to power quality. Explain the difference in linear and non-linear.

    And do this with out consulting someone else's work.

    Last one and it's pretty simple, if I wanted to build a multiplexing 8 bit shift register, which IC would I need, from what class of IC's would I select it from and what is the frequency of the clock chip would I need ?

    Rabid Alpaca is also very knowledgeable so he can't answer.
    Bwhahahahahaaa ****in A dude I am not one of those so called "green power" people. Despite what you think just because I disagree with something you say does not make me a Al Gore bitch. You obviously have a lot to learn about communicating with people. For one you cannot assume by the little that we have exchanged exactly what position that I have on this matter, mostly because I havenet gave one Sherlock. You should think before just spouting off canned arguments aimed at your normal sparring partners. I am not them so dont bother me again until you can take your head out of your ass.

    Im not so insecure that I need to prove my knowledge of power transmission to you, plus what exact purpose would it make now? Take your pissing contest to the play ground where it belongs. I already established that high power transmission results in losing some inefficiency. I also established through that googled link that gave data from The American Society of Civil Engineers that proved you wrong. You have heard of them before havent you? Are you asserting that you some poster on the internet is right and they are wrong? As dfar as I know those irrelevant questions to this debate were copied and pasted from some site. All I know is that we were talking about power loss over long distances and you failed to mention the basic concept of resistance. That was your mistake not mine. I guess that you cant accept mistakes and must save face now so you go into irrelevant BS to prove yourself. Hey if you really know your stuff you could prove it in the debate.

    But then you are not debating from what I have read so far from you. Instead you are just demanding that everyone conform to your assertions.

    Have a good day I know that I am after all its windy outside which means free electricity to power my grow lights and the lights in my house. I love spring winds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Have a good day I know that I am after all its windy outside which means free electricity to power my grow lights and the lights in my house. I love spring winds.
    Hmmm. An ecologically friendly grow op?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Bwhahahahahaaa ****in A dude I am not one of those so called "green power" people. Despite what you think just because I disagree with something you say does not make me a Al Gore bitch. You obviously have a lot to learn about communicating with people. For one you cannot assume by the little that we have exchanged exactly what position that I have on this matter, mostly because I havenet gave one Sherlock. You should think before just spouting off canned arguments aimed at your normal sparring partners. I am not them so dont bother me again until you can take your head out of your ass.

    Im not so insecure that I need to prove my knowledge of power transmission to you, plus what exact purpose would it make now? Take your pissing contest to the play ground where it belongs. I already established that high power transmission results in losing some inefficiency. I also established through that googled link that gave data from The American Society of Civil Engineers that proved you wrong. You have heard of them before havent you? Are you asserting that you some poster on the internet is right and they are wrong? As dfar as I know those irrelevant questions to this debate were copied and pasted from some site. All I know is that we were talking about power loss over long distances and you failed to mention the basic concept of resistance. That was your mistake not mine. I guess that you cant accept mistakes and must save face now so you go into irrelevant BS to prove yourself. Hey if you really know your stuff you could prove it in the debate.

    But then you are not debating from what I have read so far from you. Instead you are just demanding that everyone conform to your assertions.

    Have a good day I know that I am after all its windy outside which means free electricity to power my grow lights and the lights in my house. I love spring winds.

    You can't answer even the most basic and fundamental questions on power quality and transmission ? It's not a pissing contest, it's just proof that your speaking out of your ass. Commenting on topics you know nothing about.


    But you grew up next to a hydro-electrical dam and everything.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You can't answer even the most basic and fundamental questions on power quality and transmission ? It's not a pissing contest, it's just proof that your speaking out of your ass. Commenting on topics you know nothing about.


    But you grew up next to a hydro-electrical dam and everything.
    Lol if you say so.

    So why dont you enlighten us with your vast knowledge of these things and tell us what your big plan is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Lol if you say so.

    So why dont you enlighten us with your vast knowledge of these things and tell us what your big plan is?
    Capitalize on existing technology, quit wasting money on nonsense like wind energy and photovoltaic.

    Tell politicians to shove their carbon credits up their ass.

    Quit buying into the bull sh** AGW narrative.

    Trust me, we're no where near a break through on batteries, cold fusion, super-conductivity, piezeo-electric, or any other new technology that could remotely be comparable to our current standards.

    Nuclear is a great alternative to massive solar plants. Just don't build on a coast thats suceptable to tidal waves.

    As it turns out, the advent of higher effeciency appliances and central air units and LED Lighting is the most practical way to conserve energy and save money.

    Advances in Fracking has allowed access to oil that was previously unreachable.

    In short quit buying into the BS.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We've already done the research and paid for it many times over. The alternatives have been available for decades. My uncles have been running their vehicles on clean, cheap, available propane since the 60s. When I first moved to Oregon after the service they had cool little all-electric cars on sale at the battery Exchange for 2K. And damn but one of my favorite cars was a Honda 600 - 50 mpg.
    We want cars that won't explode.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Capitalize on existing technology, quit wasting money on nonsense like wind energy and photovoltaic.

    Tell politicians to shove their carbon credits up their ass.

    Quit buying into the bull sh** AGW narrative.

    Trust me, we're no where near a break through on batteries, cold fusion, super-conductivity, piezeo-electric, or any other new technology that could remotely be comparable to our current standards.

    Nuclear is a great alternative to massive solar plants. Just don't build on a coast thats suceptable to tidal waves.

    As it turns out, the advent of higher effeciency appliances and central air units and LED Lighting is the most practical way to conserve energy and save money.

    Advances in Fracking has allowed access to oil that was previously unreachable.

    In short quit buying into the BS.
    That sounds more like a political platform than a plan.

    The problem with your plan though is the unpredictability of technological research. Of course planning right now we can count on what may never come s we must do the best with what we have. Regardless of how you feel about research it will continue on despite whether you think its a good idea or not. The reason that it will is for several reasons. One of the reasons is because people can make money off of new technology. The other is that some people just like to think.

    Nuclear isnt a great anything really. I really dont buy into the BS about nuclear power being the big solution. One thing though that nuclear power does is make this country very vulnerable to attacks. You can build far from Tsunami's but its much harder to build them out of reach of missiles. Just one nuclear power plant could make a vast region of the country a wasteland. Its like we built our own Trojan horses.


    ANd I agree that LED's and Energy Star appliances do a lot to save energy waste.


    Fracking and oil armageddon dont interest me at all so Ill leave that to you.

    And while I am not big into the man made climate change fight between literally everyone, I do recognize the fact that pollution is best avoided. History has shown that pollution is bad. You dont even need to worry about all that talk about man made global warming and all that. I mean you have to admit that pollution must not be all that good for our planet? But even then if you ignore all of that its still a good idea not to pollute things unnecessarily. I always clean after myself so should industry its not a lot to ask really it should be part of their business plan. It is part of my business plan to be sure. The property that I own is only so big I need every bit of it wouldnt want to ruin a portion of it.

    But I definitely agree that carbon credits is one of the most corrupted ideas that I have heard. Its just like the copper mine that I live nearby, they pay fines sometimes rather than doing it the clean way because its cheaper to pay the fines.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We've already done the research and paid for it many times over. The alternatives have been available for decades. My uncles have been running their vehicles on clean, cheap, available propane since the 60s. When I first moved to Oregon after the service they had cool little all-electric cars on sale at the battery Exchange for 2K. And damn but one of my favorite cars was a Honda 600 - 50 mpg.
    I have a 63 Ford Falcon with a 144cu straight 6, I get 35 mpg with the original engine and it needs rebuilt. The technology exists for high mpg vehicles its just that the buying public wants to be able to go fast. Though I suspect that is changing. I was going to remove that 144 to put in a bigger engine but since fuel prices dont seem to be going down I think Ill stick with it and just rebuild the engine.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Already posted the emissions specs for B80. SVO/WVO are lower than those.
    I bet they aren't lower than zero!
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