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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    well with the highest percentage of poor people and those on disability, we shouldn't need cars that much longer as the "cattle" population increases

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    well with the highest percentage of poor people and those on disability, we shouldn't need cars that much longer as the "cattle" population increases




    Yeah I know.....I was thinking of investing in some of these.....figured it would helps out with the Obesity problem they say we have too.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    LEMONT, Ill. President Barack Obama is pushing Congress to authorize $200 million a year for research into clean energy technologies that can wean automobiles off oil.

    Obama proposed the idea of an energy security trust last month in his State of the Union address, but he was putting a price tag on the idea during a trip Friday to the Argonne National Laboratory outside Chicago $2 billion over 10 years. The White House said the research would be paid for with revenue from federal oil and gas leases on offshore drilling and would not add to the deficit.

    The money would fund research on "breakthrough" technologies such as batteries for electric cars and biofuels made from switch grass or other materials. Researchers also would look to improve use of natural gas as a fuel for cars and trucks.

    White House officials said the president's proposal would not require expansion of drilling to federal lands or water where it is now prohibited. Instead, they are counting on increased production from existing sites, along with efficiencies from an administration plan to streamline drilling permits. The government collects more than $6 billion a year in royalties from production on federal lands and waters.

    Obama's push for the energy trust came as the Environmental Protection Agency released a new report Friday indicating that fuel economy standards rose last year by 1.4 miles per gallon the largest annual increase since EPA started keeping track. The agency said the improvement was due to better availability of high-performing cars and more options for consumers.

    The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers suggested that rather than encouraging research on fuel-efficient cars, the government should focus on making diverse fuels more available and improving transportation infrastructure.

    Argonne is one of the Energy Department's largest national laboratories for scientific and engineering research, staffed by more than 1,250 scientists and engineers. White House officials said it was chosen as the site of the president's speech because of its tradition of research into vehicle technologies.....snip~

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    We did hear Obama say about taking care of infrastructure. So why isn't he listening to the Alliance of Auto Manufacturers on that point. I don't have a problem with Government State, local, and Fed, moving their Vehicles to natural gas. Anybody else? Thoughts?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    well with the highest percentage of poor people and those on disability, we shouldn't need cars that much longer as the "cattle" population increases
    Most "poor" people can afford to own a car and lots of people on "disability" are just carpet bagging because their unemployment ran out.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Most "poor" people can afford to own a car and lots of people on "disability" are just carpet bagging because their unemployment ran out.
    Any stats that back that up?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post




    Yeah I know.....I was thinking of investing in some of these.....figured it would helps out with the Obesity problem they say we have too.


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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Support our troops - Ride a bike!!!!


    "an energy policy which will eliminate our dependence on oil from Middle East that will then prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East." - John McCain
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I support the troops.....but now support my investment and give Teenage kids a job.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Actually I am a machinist and I was making a joke. But for your
    information electric motors use ball bearings, at least the larger ones that one would used for a EV. Bushings are used in smaller motors usually though it depends on the manufacturer and duty rating.

    The controller for a electric motor is more likely to need replaced long before the actual motor. But electric motors are not magic they indeed wear out. Bearings wear out the field coil heats up every time that the motor is on eventually making the motor less efficient. Then theres the batteries they are the main thing holding bake EV's. If it were not for the battery problem (and its a huge problem) I would have already converted my vehicles over to electric. I would love to have a electric motor in my truck I could use that kind of torque. But I looked into it and the conversation was cost about $40k 80% of that would be batteries that last a relatively short time. Much less time than a gasoline engine.

    And well I never bought a new vehicle and never will I do all of my own mechanic work including machine work on the block etc. ANd That part you added about rust is quite comical really since there are farm tractor and hit-and-miss engines dating back to when engines were first invented that still run. All mechanical objects wear out though. Lol but if you take care of them they can last a good amount of time. My metal lathe for example was made in 1910 and its still going strong. The motor though that it came with died long before I owned it.
    Why are people so insistent on electric vehicles ?

    Honestly, there is not a comparable CLEAN electric option that matches up to a gasoline or diesel engine.

    Modern day electric motors are ECM motors, and the battery power to make that car equate to a comparable gasoline powered vehicle is first expensive and second very destructive to our environment.

    Its the same with solar. Its not practical, its expensive and the ROI on your average whole home set-up is 15 to 20 years.

    Thats with a Inverter that has a 15 year warranty on it and panels that have a 15 year warranty on them.

    Its just dumb.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Why are people so insistent on electric vehicles ?

    Honestly, there is not a comparable CLEAN electric option that matches up to a gasoline or diesel engine.

    Modern day electric motors are ECM motors, and the battery power to make that car equate to a comparable gasoline powered vehicle is first expensive and second very destructive to our environment.

    Its the same with solar. Its not practical, its expensive and the ROI on your average whole home set-up is 15 to 20 years.

    Thats with a Inverter that has a 15 year warranty on it and panels that have a 15 year warranty on them.

    Its just dumb.
    You don't need a storage system for a hybrid electrical system that can cut your power bills in half and the payback is only 5 - 8 years. The warranty is for 25 years on my inverter and PV panels.

    The electric car is lesser expensive option for the majority of commuters and is cleaner, over the lifetime of the vehicle.
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