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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    45% of the oil consumed in the US is for gasoline. 4.6% of the oil consumed in the US is for plastics. You do the math!
    BTW, oil companies quadriple their profit margin with plastic production.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you alone represent every other American? You're way more awesomer than I though, Boo.

    What's good for Boo, is good for every other sum-bitch in the country. Am I right?
    Not exactly what I said, but you must show harm, especially as nothing is mandated. You being far to paranoid.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can't screw the oil companies if you buy a car with all that plastic in it.
    Was the math too difficult for you? I'll go with the use that is ten times less, thanks! But don't let that stop YOU from emptying your wallet each time you go to pay homage to the gas pumps.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You just can not admit when you are wrong, can you?
    I admitted I was wrong, here - "Mexico exports in 1 year just a little more than we consume in 1 day! Big whoop!" The difference is just not that great, and probably due to the slowdown of the recession.



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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    BTW, oil companies quadriple their profit margin with plastic production.
    Good for them, at least it doesn't add to the CO2 problem like burning it does.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    As an FYI, like your blender, ceiling fan and electric toothbrush, electric cars don't operate on metal against metal friction that requires motor oil.

    As there is no transmission, many of the fluids you are used, such as transmission fluid and motor oil are eliminated.

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    Reportedly, they also last way longer than gasoline cars are are predicted to rust out before they wear out as a sealed electric drive system is used instead of an internal combustion engine that requires regular "routine" maintenance just to keep it going that accounts for about half of the profits on gasoline cars by some estimates and pretty much guarantees to get you back n the show room for a new one every 3 to 5 years.

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    Actually I am a machinist and I was making a joke. But for your information electric motors use ball bearings, at least the larger ones that one would used for a EV. Bushings are used in smaller motors usually though it depends on the manufacturer and duty rating.

    The controller for a electric motor is more likely to need replaced long before the actual motor. But electric motors are not magic they indeed wear out. Bearings wear out the field coil heats up every time that the motor is on eventually making the motor less efficient. Then theres the batteries they are the main thing holding bake EV's. If it were not for the battery problem (and its a huge problem) I would have already converted my vehicles over to electric. I would love to have a electric motor in my truck I could use that kind of torque. But I looked into it and the conversation was cost about $40k 80% of that would be batteries that last a relatively short time. Much less time than a gasoline engine.

    And well I never bought a new vehicle and never will I do all of my own mechanic work including machine work on the block etc. ANd That part you added about rust is quite comical really since there are farm tractor and hit-and-miss engines dating back to when engines were first invented that still run. All mechanical objects wear out though. Lol but if you take care of them they can last a good amount of time. My metal lathe for example was made in 1910 and its still going strong. The motor though that it came with died long before I owned it.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah well Tesla IS my idol too.

    I said Tesla WAS VIEWED as a crackpot NOT THAT HE IS PRESENTLY..

    The best part is that we have nearly identical names and are into the same ****...

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    I have read enough of your post to know that your admiration of Tesla has very little to do with your tenuous grasp on the fundamentals of Tesla's experiments or the fundamentals of electricity.

    I have an admiration for Tesla because for the last 30 years I have studied electrical/electronic theory and have been involved in the practical electrical applications of everything from 2.7 megawatt generators down to troubleshooting PCB board level components. ( What I currently do for a living )
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Good for them, at least it doesn't add to the CO2 problem like burning it does.
    No, it just ends up swirling around the North Pacific Gyre forever.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    No, it just ends up swirling around the North Pacific Gyre forever.
    I called the Pacific Garbage Flotilla a long time ago. That's my land!

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The controller for a electric motor is more likely to need replaced long before the actual motor. But electric motors are not magic they indeed wear out. Bearings wear out the field coil heats up every time that the motor is on eventually making the motor less efficient.
    You are trying to tell me that all of those electric motor rewind shops actually have some work to do? Thought they lasted forever.

    I would love to have a electric motor in my truck I could use that kind of torque. But I looked into it and the conversation was cost about $40k 80% of that would be batteries that last a relatively short time. Much less time than a gasoline engine.
    Got the pieces in my shop to convert an RX7 (FB) to AC electric. The battery pack is (was, it was stolen!) only $18k, but we got a deal on that one. I finished a gasoline engine for my best bud two years ago: it cost a LOT more than the RX7 conversion parts (batteries, motor, integrated drive/charger/controller and custom bellhousing to motor adapter) and has more torque than any electric motor that will ever fit in a car. It is also a hell of a lot more fun than a 50 HP electric RX7 will ever be - and would be lucky to see double digit fuel mileage on a really easy drive.

    And well I never bought a new vehicle and never will I do all of my own mechanic work including machine work on the block etc. ANd That part you added about rust is quite comical really since there are farm tractor and hit-and-miss engines dating back to when engines were first invented that still run. All mechanical objects wear out though. Lol but if you take care of them they can last a good amount of time.
    BTW: My wife's last two Jetta TDs rusted out with 520k and over 650k on the clock. My FLD120 with DDECII is rolling over 1 million miles now - and the engine has never been touched. THAT is why diesel cars and trucks make so much sense.

    My metal lathe for example was made in 1910 and its still going strong. The motor though that it came with died long before I owned it.
    Why are we talking about stuff like this in a vehicle/environmental thread? THIS is the kind of thing I keep coming back to. The real priority in resource conservation is to REDUCE consumption. I don't have a lathe that old, but my big compressor is pre-war, my little one was a good friend's first when he was a colour TV engineer - in Boston also pre-WWII (yes, there was colour broadcast TV before WWII), my 24" wood bandsaw dates back to the 20s, I have a set of adjustable Butterfield 2 1/2" round dies that are well over 75 years old and my valve grinder is B&D serial no 13! I'm not even all that good at taking care of things, but my grandson will be using these tools long after I am gone. This, IMHO, is the exact opposite of consumption - and the kind of mindset that is needed to even start to get a grip on what smart vehicle policy might actually be.

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