Page 42 of 52 FirstFirst ... 324041424344 ... LastLast
Results 411 to 420 of 512

Thread: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

  1. #411
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly, and research is what is proposed. From the OP - "The money would fund research on "breakthrough" technologies such as batteries for electric cars and biofuels made from switch grass or other materials. Researchers also would look to improve use of natural gas as a fuel for cars and trucks."
    And each of those have already been developed and funded, the funding paid for - 40 years ago! Maybe you have a case with battery tech, but the private sector is already fully funding it's own efforts there and the government shouldn't be competing with that.

    What is your deal with wanting to accept paying for things twice?

    And swithchgrass? There's a reason it didn't pan out the first time, we're on to algae and baterium now. Swithchgrass is a dead avenue.

  2. #412
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post

    Come on back when you have batteries you can charge in 5 minutes and doesn't cost 2 arms and 2 legs.
    That's why we need more research on batteries. And most people don't need a 265 mi range since most don't travel more than 29 miles a day. There are affordable electric cars now that meet that requirement.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  3. #413
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And each of those have already been developed and funded, the funding paid for - 40 years ago! Maybe you have a case with battery tech, but the private sector is already fully funding it's own efforts there and the government shouldn't be competing with that.

    What is your deal with wanting to accept paying for things twice?

    And swithchgrass? There's a reason it didn't pan out the first time, we're on to algae and baterium now. Swithchgrass is a dead avenue.

    Never met anyone that thought whatever we have developed up to this point is good enough to use for all time.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  4. #414
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Using today’s average American electricity mix of natural gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, wind, geothermal, and solar, an electric car emits half the amount of climate-changing carbon pollution per mile as the average new vehicle.
    Lets suppose that's true. Now, let's compare that to an internal combustion engine running already developed, funded and ready to use bio-diesel. Here's the factsheet for biodiesel. Looks like, if you care so much about CO2 you should be suggesting we all drive diesel internal combustion engine vehicles running B80. Plus we save all the transition costs (going to electric vehicles) that will persist for decades.

  5. #415
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Never met anyone that thought whatever we have developed up to this point is good enough to use for all time.
    You still haven't, nor have you grasped the point.

  6. #416
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,040

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Man theres going to be a lot of seized engines without oil in them..

  7. #417
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Lets suppose that's true. Now, let's compare that to an internal combustion engine running already developed, funded and ready to use bio-diesel. Here's the factsheet for biodiesel. Looks like, if you care so much about CO2 you should be suggesting we all drive diesel internal combustion engine vehicles running B80. Plus we save all the transition costs (going to electric vehicles) that will persist for decades.
    I think Biodiesel is a great transition from burning gas to a zero emissions electric vehicle, as long as we are not using food crops for the bio component.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  8. #418
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You still haven't, nor have you grasped the point.
    The point, as you've explained it up to this point, is nutty. Perhaps if you rephrase, it will make some kind of sense.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  9. #419
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,749

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's why we need more research on batteries. And most people don't need a 265 mi range since most don't travel more than 29 miles a day. There are affordable electric cars now that meet that requirement.
    That's just a lot of BS. The electric vehicle industry wants people to take less than they currently have and pay more for it.

    Screw them.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  10. #420
    Guru
    Smeagol's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Last Seen
    02-19-17 @ 11:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,147

    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Man theres going to be a lot of seized engines without oil in them..
    As an FYI, like your blender, ceiling fan and electric toothbrush, electric cars don't operate on metal against metal friction that requires motor oil.

    As there is no transmission, many of the fluids you are used, such as transmission fluid and motor oil are eliminated.

    2011 Nissan LEAF Performance and Handling

    Reportedly, they also last way longer than gasoline cars are are predicted to rust out before they wear out as a sealed electric drive system is used instead of an internal combustion engine that requires regular "routine" maintenance just to keep it going that accounts for about half of the profits on gasoline cars by some estimates and pretty much guarantees to get you back n the show room for a new one every 3 to 5 years.

    The Surprising Ways Car Dealers Make The Most Money Off You - Forbes
    Having opinions all over the map is a good sign of a person capable of autonomous thinking. Felix -2011

Page 42 of 52 FirstFirst ... 324041424344 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •