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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because it's not immediately profitable, and oil is.
    Why do we want to pour tax dollars into something that isn't profitable? Sounds like a big waste of my money.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But even the oil companies, who know their time is limited and have said they are working on alternative energies haven't come up with anything and they have both the money and the impetus to keep up their monopoly.
    nobody made it to the moon before NASA, either. i'd support a similar strategy, weighted towards public / private partnerships. energy is a national security issue.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But even the oil companies, who know their time is limited and have said they are working on alternative energies haven't come up with anything and they have both the money and the impetus to keep up their monopoly.
    And, if it was such a groovy idea, the oil companies would have already cornered the market
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why do we want to pour tax dollars into something that isn't profitable? Sounds like a big waste of my money.
    yeah, planning out our strategy for addressing the increasing scarcity of an essential and finite resource is a waste of money. lol

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    nobody made it to the moon before NASA, either. i'd support a similar strategy, weighted towards public / private partnerships. energy is a national security issue.
    But first...it has to work.

    The wind energy industry has been recieving government subsidies for decades and is STILL losing money.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, planning out our strategy for addressing the increasing scarcity of an essential and finite resource is a waste of money. lol
    it is, if that strategy doesn't work.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To what are you referring?
    The list is long but I'll start with a few:

    Jojoba oil
    SVO/WVO/biodiesel (btw even Henry Ford's first efforts ran on peanut oil)
    commuter range electric vehicles
    Earth pumps for cooling
    Rammed earth homes
    micro hydro
    bio-plastics (the other white meat of oil dependence - plastics)

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    nobody made it to the moon before NASA, either. i'd support a similar strategy, weighted towards public / private partnerships. energy is a national security issue.
    Every president since the 70s has publically made energy a national security issue, specifically our dependence upon oil. And how many trips to the moon have there been since? Why, because it's radically more expensive than doing our exploration remotely.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Too bad it's just a political ploy and nothing will come of it.
    So how about we not making it about politics, focus on the benefits we can gain from the research, and make something come of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But even the oil companies, who know their time is limited and have said they are working on alternative energies haven't come up with anything and they have both the money and the impetus to keep up their monopoly.
    Which is something that most corporate leaders and owners don't care about. They want to get paid today, and they want to get paid as much as possible today. Who cares if the company disappears in ten years? Their pockets will be lined long before that happens. That is the mentality that American big business takes, and it's the source of a lot of our ills.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why do we want to pour tax dollars into something that isn't profitable? Sounds like a big waste of my money.
    Because quality of life and profit don't go hand in hand. It's more profitable to keep slaves. It's more profitable to operate a police state. Profit does not mean a better life. Generations to come having clean air and water does not translate into profit today.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    The United States is the Middle East when it comes to natural gas, yet we never hear the greenies hollerin for advancement of natural gas fueled vehicles.

    Why? Because it really doesn't have anything to do with national security, or what's good for the country. It's all about further destroying the private sector. Anyone notice how the Libbos never suggest that the private sector develope and produce alternate energy?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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